What\'s With the Grotesqueness of Twised Metal: Black?

Originally posted by Lavan


It doesn\'t TEACH kids anything - if a kid watches that and decides to hack down his girlfriend then there is something wrong with a)the kid himself and b)the way he was brought up. To say that behaviour is caused or taught by watching a violent act is something good old Liberman would say. I watched tons of violent movies when I was growing up and I\'ve never killed anyone.

Besides, little kids shouldn\'t be playing the game anyway since it\'s rated M.

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exactly! I was brought up on violent movies and NEVER have I even thought of killing anybody in any situation, unless they will try to kill me or is killing someone in front of me(like Columbine, I would\'ve jumped a kid and snapped his neck in less than 3 seconds).

Originally posted by Lavan


It doesn\'t TEACH kids anything - if a kid watches that and decides to hack down his girlfriend then there is something wrong with a)the kid himself and b)the way he was brought up. To say that behaviour is caused or taught by watching a violent act is something good old Liberman would say. I watched tons of violent movies when I was growing up and I\'ve never killed anyone.

Besides, little kids shouldn\'t be playing the game anyway since it\'s rated M.

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Originally posted by ViVi


exactly! I was brought up on violent movies and NEVER have I even thought of killing anybody in any situation, unless they will try to kill me or is killing someone in front of me(like Columbine, I would\'ve jumped a kid and snapped his neck in less than 3 seconds).

I agree gentlemen, I have been watching horror movies, and all kinds of blood and death action movies since the age of 7. I played all kinds of video games, and listened to all kinds of music in the past.

Guess what? I still haven’t gone postal. WHY?
Cause i got parents that taught me right from wrong.

Teach is what I wrote and what I meant, some stupid kid read a comic book and thought he could fly, so he jumped of a freaking window. He was reading, and was taught by the book to “FLY”, because his brain could not distinguish between reality and make-believe.

Imagine what the Bible thumping Baptist\'s must think of TMB!  "It\'s EVIL!!"  "It\'s the Devil\'s work!!"  The End of Day\'s is near, TMB is written in Revelation!"  Baptist\'s are too hardcore for me.

Originally posted by ViVi


exactly! I was brought up on violent movies and NEVER have I even thought of killing anybody in any situation, unless they will try to kill me or is killing someone in front of me(like Columbine, I would\'ve jumped a kid and snapped his neck in less than 3 seconds).

ViVi...sorry man, but I wonder at your reply regarding Columbine (and I suspect I\'m/we\'re *reeeeally* devolving this thread to the fringe of the "Main Forum" with your post as well as my reply).  Granted, you could tell me I\'m full o\' $hit for suggesting that you could not make that bravado statement unless you lived through it (and perhaps in one or another instance, you did; if so, forgive my ignorance...but then, accept my reply as a rebuttal to the masses and not a personal attack on you).  Otherwise, I can\'t help but wonder how such "quips" [of "I tell ya what I\'da done if it were me..."] do to the psyche of folks that really HAVE lived through it and then find that they have to look in the mirror to ask themselves "what could I have done to assist my fellow schoolmates".  

Dude, my view?  To some extent videogames foster your earlier brave reply of how you\'d handle it.  Fact is, at least as I see it, when punks are spraying the place with bullets (and there ain\'t no "reset button" if you die, get it?)...then human nature, typically, will be absolute terror...not bravado.

This reply is not meant to incite.  Nor do I deliberately attack your reply, ViVi.  Again, you know yourself very well and you may well have replied in kind to how you know you would have reacted.  My reply was simply to the masses that can make unchallengable, uncalculated comments that can cause irrepairable damage to tormented souls that *have* been forced to be in such a horrific situation.

I understand w1ngman. But I have lived through a mild thing like that, I broke a guys arm while he tryed attcking a girl with a knife.

Sure they are spraying bullets everywhere, but something goes through my head when I saw that guy. I could save many others lives if I had killed one of those bastards. I would feel a lot better trying to kill someone then die then watching those punks shoot people.

But it depends where I would be at that time, if I was in front of him or if he had another fag shooting with him I would run my ass off. There is a point where there is no point of trying, I know that.

[Evi]

There are kids out there that are susceptible to this kind of media. They don\'t have to be demented. That is usually the case, though. More than ever, here and now, there has been more violence in every day life than there has ever been. There\'s a school shooting like every 6 months. A couple of months ago, there was a shooting threat at my school. They canceled school for a few days while many cops and others did research. It happened to be on the the anniversary of Columbine, and Hitler\'s birthday. My friend was at the school that recently had a shooting...and then she moved here, only to get another suspicious warning. She\'s very sad. At any rate, media does play an immportant part of everyone\'s lives, and you can\'t deny that. Violence is very real, and there are very misguided people out there. The young kids today are the most susceptible and are the ones who will lead our country in the future. So videogames and whatnot do affect people more than you can understand. I\'ve had family members (who are perfectly normal individuals) punch the "you know what" out of each other for losing in a game of Tekken. So I\'m just asking you guys to seriously consider what\'s going on in the world. ALright? Thanks...peace out.

sorry guys, horror movies and the like dont EVER glorify violence or make it seem right. The good guy wins at the end of a horror movie. In this game, your character will just kill Calypso and supposedly laugh it off. That sort of stuff WILL warp a kids mind.

All the things before this game, sans twisted endings to certain games, the bad "killer guy". This is different.

Eric Jacob

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I think it is a sad time , when we have to worry about the forms of entertainment causing some child to go kill someone. By all means, art , enterainment and other media forms have never been "clean". Shakespere has suicide, murder, betrayal, yet we teach that in our schools. Classic pieces of art work depict wars and other brutual images that have taken place. And on an even more sensative note, the bible, the most popular book in the world is horrific and violent. Do we blame these pieces of enterainment / art when  a kid does something? NO.
 
Yes, Twisted Metal: Black had some pretty gruesome stories, but it was meant to. The stories helped drive home the point for the characters. The game displayed nothing worse then what we see on the NEWS everynight at 11:00 pm. The developers never hid the fact the game was mature nor did the ESRB . The game was rated MATURE.  Obviously small children should not be playing the game, but that is the parents job to decide. We cannot censor art / enterainment just because some parents are not doing their job.

I\'m happy with the change the developers made. They have never advirestised the game as a "Cartoony" game. They have always said it would be for the mature player and be dark.  We have mature movies, mature music and now we have mature videogames. This just goes to show that games are not longer "toys". They are a form of entertainment for every age group.

Everyone should be responsible for their own actions.  Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world.  And I have to side with w1ngman, that in real life this stuff isn\'t funny or heroic.  And people who have been through something like this don\'t ever want to remember it.

The worst part is, when someone does go over the edge they do not get punished, so the next nutjob in line has no reason not do the same thing.

I\'m sick and tired of hearing mommy and daddy crap when all the kid needs is an asswhipping to set him straight.

If there\'s one thing I want to say to all AMERICA:

"U.S.A, I love you, BUT AIN\'T NO ONE ABOVE AN ASSWHIPPIN"

its not the game that causes a kid to kill - if a kid is learining about life in a videogame then there is something worng with them or the way they were brought or lacking of it. kinda like if a kid sees Cloud from FF7 swing a sword and kill a guard it doesn\'t mean the kid will do it or act on violence on a security guard

i just don\'t see how someone can blame videogames for anything but entertainment - thats what its suppost to be not some way to learn about life and teach it to your kids - the only problem is the parents that stick their kids in front of the tv or videogame instead of teaching him right from wrong

a lot parents now aday don\'t teach their kids anything anymore - they expect society to teach it for them and when society rejects them they don\'t know what to do - these are the people to worry about

but anyway thats how i feel

Yes, the movies are bad for kids and I haven\'t seen all the movies yet but now I know why Sweetooth have that fire on his head. We have seen nothing yet!! SILENT HILL 2!!!!  

This is gonna be a topic that will be argued until a resolution comes...and it won\'t be during our lifetime.

I think when a child goes insane there isn\'t anyone more to blame than the parents...as a child when your brain is open to learn the rules of right or wrong your parents are god to you and its there duty to teach you.

I think when a kid does something as wasteful and tragic as Columbine the parents should receive all the penatilites for whatever there child did.

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Not to spam, but I thought this qoute may fit the subject.

“The violent child is the most potent image of violated innocence that we have. If humankind is capable of this, then perhaps we are beyond redemption.” -- Ian McEwan

I too have grown up on horror movies, and in fact due to the atmosphere I grew up around and the social cliqe\'s I feel into at school I often times find violence to be quite funny. It\'s enjoyable to me. Ever wonder why people gather around to see a fight, or why ConsumptionJuction hasn\'t fallen below 500 accesses at any one time in the past two years? The same reason that makes me laugh when I see a cop smack a perp in the head with his batton.

Now, I would never do most of the things I laugh at in real life. In fact, I think I\'m a pretty pacifistic person. I don\'t like GETTING into fights.. I don\'t like hurting people. But to have me feeling sorry for someone else\'s misfortune is not going to make this world a better place. It\'s just going to waste my time, and make me feel miserable.

Or, (as long as we\'re quoting) as John Bernard Shaw once said.. "Life no more ceases to be funny when people die.. than it stops being serious when people laugh."

Broaden the spectrum, keep the meaning in tact.. and those are words to live by IMO.


I have a feeling TM:B is going to be hilarous!

Sorry, don\'t mean to spam, but I just read Bob\'s post.

"I think when a kid does something as wasteful and tragic as Columbine the parents should receive all the penatilites for whatever there child did." - Bob\'s Hardware.

Now wait.. you\'re going to punish the parents for the actions of their child? Hell, even the best parents in the world can have psycopathic kids. Why blame someone else for another\'s actions? Why not blame the kids who teased and tormented those bastards into their bleak corner of desperation.. and then blame the school system that wouldn\'t lift a finger to help them. For christ\'s sake.. the circle of blame could go on forever.. and until we start focusing on fixing the problem.. NOT THE BLAME.. we\'re going to get nowhere.

It\'s so much easier to point a finger, than lend a hand.