the end of nintendo.

Everything looks like crap compared to that demo.

It doesn\'t look like kiddy crap, it just looks unique. I guess you either love it or hate it. Both are acceptable I guess. Most people are hating the new look actually but a lot are loving it so I guess we\'ll just say it\'s "different".

My only problem is Link\'s graphics. I do think he looks somewhat homosexual, but that\'s neither here nor there. I\'ve seen the one movie I know about, and it looked fantastic! I know that, with that kind of show and the gameplay that I know will kick ass, I\'ll get the next Zelda game without question.

I can see how the people who jump on Nintendo for being \'kiddy\' leapt right on this one like a pack of starving hyenas, but graphics are the wrapping on the present. Nothing more.

To those fools who pass on Zelda because of the graphics... it\'s your loss.

Well I hate it!!!!!!!:mad:

Originally posted by Lavan
No wonder Polyphony Digital decided not to even change one iota of GT2\'s gameplay for GT3 - just improve the graphics and the graphics whores will lap it up - "oooo greatest racer of all time because the graphics are (say it Sammy) - SOOO REAL".

DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!

I had almost forgotten that abomonation that was a videogame commercial!

Alright, that\'s your 30th post saying you hate the new Zelda. We get it.

"To those fools who pass on Zelda because of the graphics... it\'s your loss."[/b]

So true.

Then again, if they are reinventing the graphics and appeal of the game, do you think the gameplay will remain intact?  What if they make it kiddish too?  Yikes!

Too many points to agree upon. But as a whole, I agree with Lestat. I was hoping for Nintendo to bring back the magic in this generation, and I am wholely disappointed. I am sure Zelda will be a wonderful experience, and I\'m sure its gameplay will be top notch. But I suppose growing up is a part of life. Like when collecting baseball cards isn\'t your thing anymore. I grew up w/Nintendo, loved all their franchises,. but as I look back now, and think of how great all that was, I was young. The thought of playing a Saturday-morning-cartoon-Link does not appeal to me now. It\'s the Link I\'ve outgrown, and a Link I will let die. You can fight all you want about meager opinions, but in the end, that\'s all they are. Opinions.

Maybe I\'m outgrowing videogames as a whole, because as more time passes, I find myself less and less interested in certain games. Or perhaps this all relates back to that Casual gamers thread that Ryu started. Technologically speaking, this new GC Link looks awesome. Never has a game resembled a real cartoon so closely. And I am glad that the GC is indeed a mighty system. But if that power will be used to bring cartoons to life, then I don\'t care for it. Only time will tell what happens, but @ this point I am severely disappointed. (with PS2 / Xbox / and GC )

Don\'t turn this into a flaming war, but I feel the same way as Lestat. If you are enthusiastic for the new Zelda/Mario/Metroid, then I too envy you, I wish I could remember what that feeling was like. Peace out.


(Chances are, that in the end, I will still get a GC + Zelda, but it is not the Zelda I had envisioned, the Zelda I hoped for. Unfortunately as Lestat put it, I will have to swallow it.)

/ dm /

My main problem with the gamecube is that not only does it look kiddy, it has only kiddy game support from Nintendo and if Nintendo admits to it being kiddy and they are making kiddy games, what do you think 3rd party is going to do?  Make kiddy games as well....

This is one big reason why the Nintendo 64 failed against the PSX was because of ONLY kiddy games.    The consumers (non hardcore) are going to see this again with Gamecube just like they did with the N64.

My bro was SEGA fan and then a PSX fan and now is looking at PS2 and Xbox and doesn\'t care about Nintendo and he isn\'t hardcore, he is just an average consumer.  Even my wife who went with me at E3 said that Nintendo was kiddy and that she didn\'t care for it.  And my best friend who I work with who has a Dreamcast doesn\'t care for Nintendo because they are kiddy and then I have another friend from my hometown of St. Louis who doesn\'t care for Nintendo because of kiddy games and the honest truth is that I am the one that defends Nintendo.

I know because I was one of those people.  The only two games that I got with the N64 was the only two available when it was launched, Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64.

I think the negative information from Spaceworld pretty much makes Nintendo\'s success at E3 moot.  If it wasn\'t for RS2 Nintendo would not have had a good E3 at all.  The one game was the only game that helped Nintendo and that one game should have been directed to a more mature platform such as the PS2 or Xbox.

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The only point I agree with is they killed Metriod.

They did not kill Zelda, it will maintain the high fun factor gameplay but only with new graphics. Yes, Link looks homosexual, but it is just a game. I could care less. The actual ingame footage looks simply amazing.

This will not kill Nintendo as hardcore loyal fans will still play it , even if they are upset. They still have their target audience and so on.

Nintendo will continue to rake in the money with their target audience and hardcore fan base.

I don\'t think that this is the end of nintendo. It just confirms that nintendo is content on keeping the same image they had before. A lot of nintendo fans where yelling and screaming about nintendo\'s new adult  and teen image. Well it ain\'t gonna happen.  Gamecube will continue on from the success of n64 dispite all the recent bad news.

All i can say is that Zelda and Mario looks like crap..Mario\'s enviroment looks blocky and low polygons..Looks like an expansion to Mario 64..Mario does looks excellent..Zelda looks like a kindergarden drawing....i am not getting a GayCube anymore....

Sure, we would have all pefered it as wishing it looked better, it does not take a hit on the gameplay though. Mario and Zelda are both in the early stages. To these people:

Lestant: Your an idiot, new consoles are made to not improve graphics soley, if thats the way you want it, games would be less than half as fun right now. The idea is to use the new power to create new, larger levels, new features, expansion on the world, and then use the left over power to add new graphical detail.

Raslant and Everyone: This could turn out for the better, quit acting like a fanboy. I am dissapointed in Zelda\'s graphics also. Give them time. Sooner or later, someone is going to hit that Miaymoto fool on the head and wake him up. Japs screw everything up. Give the next Zelda to Capcom. They rule.

Originally posted by JediMaster
Sure, we would have all pefered it as wishing it looked better, it does not take a hit on the gameplay though. Mario and Zelda are both in the early stages. To these people:

Lestant: Your an idiot, new consoles are made to not improve graphics soley, if thats the way you want it, games would be less than half as fun right now. The idea is to use the new power to create new, larger levels, new features, expansion on the world, and then use the left over power to add new graphical detail.

Raslant and Everyone: This could turn out for the better, quit acting like a fanboy. I am dissapointed in Zelda\'s graphics also. Give them time. Sooner or later, someone is going to hit that Miaymoto fool on the head and wake him up. Japs screw everything up. Give the next Zelda to Capcom. They rule.

Ok just cause we are dissapointed in zelda graphics we fanboy??!!?!  Okay that makes sense.  

Bassically thats it, you\'ve been flaming it a lot since the first page, why stop now?

Originally posted by JediMaster

Lestant: Your an idiot, new consoles are made to not improve graphics soley, if thats the way you want it, games would be less than half as fun right now. The idea is to use the new power to create new, larger levels, new features, expansion on the world, and then use the left over power to add new graphical detail.

first of all..spell my name right...secondly..your mother is an idiot....i stated my opinion,  i didnt insult you or anyone else in these forums..so dont start...
and thirdly....new consoles arent just about making games more \'fun\'..you sound like you should work for nintendo...
its improvement on the whole....not just graphics...but at the same time..graphics are a main priority..otherwise they wouldnt focus on making a system that could push X number of polys,  with sharp looking textures...youre obviously a gaycube supporter because of youre signature,  so i wont waste my time arguing with you....go have \'fun\' playing nintendo\'s kiddie games with homosexual character designs like link...
nintendo is dead to me....ive grown up and i dont have \'fun\' playing their kiddie games...just like i dont enjoy playing with he-man or gi joe action figures no more....nintendo clearly stated recently that their target audience is kiddies...they think 10 year olds rule the videogame market..too bad they think this way...but they are a \'family entertainment\' videogame company...they thought last years zelda tech demo was too \'frightening\' so they made link look like a powerpuff girl.....i will not support a company like this...you can if you want to ...i wont..its that simple....
just watch your mouth...no need for personal insults here.