Nintendo news.......(bad news)

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Ginko
But you also must see that they are not aiming for the same demographic as MS or Sony.  Nintendo doesn\'t have any "competition."  It almost seems as they are on their own platueu of sorts...I think people will see the games once they start coming out and start sending some love Nintendo\'s way;)

im willing to bet most people that have bought it so far have been gamers of the \'mature\' age...plus i dont think they are aiming soley on the \'kiddie\' market, but the entire spectrum of ages in their demographic...remember, an adult can play a kiddie game and enjoy it...chances are young children wont like an adult game as much (or they wont be able to play it (KingPin for example )) if they were aiming soley for kids, then Rare would not be ANYTHING like they are...they are aiming for the entire demographic...

I still think it\'s trash that the RE series is GC only...Knowing Capcom, it won\'t hold for long anyway...

aye, t\'would only be a limitted time exclusivity contract anyway...as it stands they are only getting 2 of these \'exclusive\' resident evils, and remakes of Resident Evil\'s on other consoles

another point...if Nintendo are so focused on they kiddie demographic...why did they try and secure the Resident Evil series??  i highly doubt the head honche at Capcom thought "hey, lets put our darkest most profitable series, on a machine aimed at children"...Capcom would have been propositioned () by Nintendo for the rights..

I shouldn\'t have used the word, demographic...it really didn\'t apply to what I was trying to get across... sorry.

I was trying to emphasize more on the no competition thing...Nintendo gamers are a very loyal bunch and will no doubt show up more and more as Nintendo\'s classics are revived...Myself, I\'m waiting for Starfox, Banjo-Kazooie 3, Donkey Kong, Killer Instint 3 (rumored), Perfect Dark, Metroid...and I\'m 20.  So I really don\'t want to argue the whole "kiddie" thing...

another point...if Nintendo are so focused on they kiddie demographic...why did they try and secure the Resident Evil series?? i highly doubt the head honche at Capcom thought "hey, lets put our darkest most profitable series, on a machine aimed at children"...Capcom would have been propositioned () by Nintendo for the rights..

It\'s a vain attempt to "prove" they aren\'t kiddie.  Just like Conker ( I love that game)....

Na, I think it was somewhat a good move for Nintendo as they try to appeal to a wider demographic and the "mature" gamer.  Eternal Darkness, Too Human, Resident Evil, Perfect Dark...

I really didn\'t mean to argue this from a demographic standpoint...so take that out of perspective...

[Bobs_Hardware]

its a deal *thumbs up*

so you believe what??  they are trying to appeal to their loyalist fans?

Of course...why esle would their be 80 mario games:P

[Bobs_Hardware]

well, if you had have just said so in the first place you could have saved a lot of text!  my wrists are sore (although thats for a whole other reason)...bastard

i dont think so much they are targetting soley loyalist fans...thats possible reasoning for the Cell Shaded Link though... you must admit, he is much more like his previous more kiddie incarnations from the likes of LttP, unfortunately they didnt count on their fans, ones who grew up with the series, and ones who started on OoT growing so attached to the OoT and MM depictions (not to mention how awe-insprired and hope filled they were all about the tech demo...let down even more because of that thing)..hence their re-thinking of the game, which means it would take EVEN LONGER to come out and they need it for they are not soley appealing to ther loyal fans as shown in their \'vain\' attempts to destroy their kiddie image and to appeal to the common gamer..

vain or not, it is still an attempt to attract more people cheaply and without having to put out a variety of games from the likes of 3rd party...ugh, im going over old points now... and forgotten my train of thought

they are a business out to make money...and right now...they are doing a terrible job of it (at least as far as the GC is concerned, gameboy will always put food on the table)

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
well, if you had have just said so in the first place you could have saved a lot of text!  my wrists are sore (although thats for a whole other reason)...bastard

i dont think so much they are targetting soley loyalist fans...thats possible reasoning for the Cell Shaded Link though... you must admit, he is much more like his previous more kiddie incarnations from the likes of LttP, unfortunately they didnt count on their fans, ones who grew up with the series, and ones who started on OoT growing so attached..hence their re-thinking of the game, which means it would take EVEN LONGER to come out and they need it for they are not soley appealing to ther loyal fans as shown in their \'vain\' attempts to destroy their kiddie image and to appeal to the common gamer..

vain or not, it is still an attempt to attract more people cheaply and without having to put out a variety of games from the likes of 3rd party...ugh, im going over old points now... and forgotten my train of thought

they are a business out to make money...and right now...they are doing a terrible job of it (at least as far as the GC is concerned, gameboy will always put food on the table)

Mario is the backbone of the company, along with some other great franchises that alot have grown up with.    While I don\'t think they are soley appealing to their loyalist, I do believe they make up a big portion of their user base...my 2 cents.

I agree with your post though...

[Bobs_Hardware]

and on that note, the discussion ends (at least for me, off to bed...lousy australian times, grr)

nice posting with ya

I was fixing to say the same thing...it was starting to swirve into other topics...better we end it here.

Good debate...see ya

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
unless they do some killer marketing and start pumping our third party titles...

Marketing.  That\'s a big key, here.  I think Nintendo\'s ads are failing miserably.  They can\'t create interest in the games.

In fact, as Australia prepares for the Xbox/GCN combo, Xbox is advertised all over including X\'s on the sidewalks while no one has heard of Gamecube.

Nintendo needs to spend some of that hard-earned cash on advertising if it hopes to sell more product than it already does (which is almost debatable itself).

-Eik

J&D was good but it is not the pinicle.  Come on, without Crash, Sonic and Mario, J&D wouldn\'t even exist.  J&D, while a fun game, borrowed so heavily from the big 3, and innovated very little.

I\'m sorry, but you can not say J&D and Mario in the same sentence.

Originally posted by GameGamer
Read the actual article. A lot of it was left out in the topic post. It says something about how, luckily for Capcom, GC sales are picking up in Japan.

They were referring to when SSBM was released, the sales picked up.  But now, Nintendo is back into the sales slump that they have been in more often than they would like.  This is the latest sales chart from famitsu:

Jan 14th-20th



And this is from the week before that week:


As you can see, it\'s just getting worse and worse for Nintendo, and the PS2 is consistantly selling 3-4 times as much as the NGC.  The next few weeks the PS2 sales will probably be up even more because of VF4, then Xenosaga.  And the NGC sales will probably be even worse do to the lack of any good software coming out for the next few months.  To tell you the truth, it wouldn\'t surprise me if the Xbox surpasses the NGC\'s total console sales within it\'s first couple of months after launch.

this could be REALLY bad for nintendo

they are in a rush to pump games out, whether they be "completed" or not

I know GameCube can pump out come crazy looking games, they just got to get cracking on things soon.  =)

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Eikserf
In fact, as Australia prepares for the Xbox/GCN combo, Xbox is advertised all over including X\'s on the sidewalks while no one has heard of Gamecube.

i walked into Electronics Boutique the other day to see a huge wall dedicated to Xbox (only the centre of it had any software/hardware apparell, but the rest were just posters of the XBox logo)...then i was looking through the store and came across this small corner... about a square yard with a picture of a gamecube, 6 game boxes (one box for each game) and a small sign saying "pre-order your gamecube now"

great going Nintendo :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Watchdog
J&D was good but it is not the pinicle. Come on, without Crash, Sonic and Mario, J&D wouldn\'t even exist. J&D, while a fun game, borrowed so heavily from the big 3, and innovated very little.

I\'m sorry, but you can not say J&D and Mario in the same sentence.

did i ever mention its innovativew qualities??  did i ever say ""hey...Jak & Daxter is the most innovative game ever"  or  "Hey, Jak & Daxter revolutionised the industry"  NO  so shut up

Mario = Common Agreed Upon Best Platformer ever
Jak & Daxter = Cliche\'d to death, and (without getting specific) doesnt offer anything new, but it has just so finely tuned (the realization of the entire world is a HUGE factor to the gameplay and is why i would put it ahead of Mario64)  it doesnt offer much new over other platformers, but everything is just perfect and the developers put in so much effort (and that is obvious) and basically...if you play J&D you cant go back to say..oh..i dunno...Gex the Gekko...or Spyro the Dragon

plus the fact its the only 3D platformer ive ever liked, which means M64 and and 3D sonic games are pretty much **** in my book (3D ruined the genre) i was just paying my respect to Mario

Originally posted by mm
this could be REALLY bad for nintendo

they are in a rush to pump games out, whether they be "completed" or not

heh, Nintendo will never put out an incomplete game.. too many delays.. if they wanted to put out an incomplete game, they should just put the game out for its originally planned release date..

For that reason alone it is not the pinacle.  If they can\'t come up with one original idea, innovate a single thing, then it is not the best.  Fact of the matter is that game isn\'t possible without every decent platformer that came before it.

Halflife is the pinicle of FPSs because they inserted fresh ideas into a stale genre and made it great again.  J&D, while a good game in its own right, didn\'t.  They made the FPS equivalent of Quake 4, and nothing more.  

It is a good game to be sure, and I did enjoy it, but the imitation is never as good as the original because you get the feeling that you\'ve been there before.

Bob, why do you get so angry, if you can\'t play nice like a big kid maybe you should stay in the gated playground with smaller kids.  I wouldn\'t want to hurt your feelings again.