Why does everyone here think that Sony is bigger AND richer than Microsoft?

Of course Sony is bigger than Microsoft. But that doesn\'t mean it\'s richer, like everyone here seems to believe. In reality:

Income Statements for Microsoft:
Sales                                     $27.7B (Basically the size of the company)
EBITDA                                  $13.1B (Meanless, basically the earnings before the bills are considered)
Income available to common $6.37B (The amount of money actually made)

Income Statements for Sony:
Sales                                     $59.2B (Bigger than Microsoft\'s, of course, but)
EBITDA                                  $5.71B (Smaller than MS\'s)
Income available to common $72.9M (Much, much, much smaller!)

Also,

Financial Strength for MS:
Current Ratio 4.04 (4 times more assets than liabilities)
Debt/Equity    0 (NO long term debt!)
Total Cash    $38.7B (A F---load of cash!)

Financial Strength for Sony
Current Ratio 1.30 (More liabilities per asset)
Debt/Equity   0.50  (Quiet a bit of long term debt!)
Total Cash   $6.65B (And a lot less cash!)

Plus,

Market Capitalization for MS    $282.9B :thepimp:
Market Capitalization for Sony $50.3B

It seems pretty obvious that Microsoft is clearly the richer of the two, and I don\'t know why anyone thinks otherwise.:rolleyes:

Hmm....thats pretty interesting. But, I can\'t believe some ppl would think Sony is richer than Microsoft...lol.

well, the xbox has shown us the money means nothing
the conosle can still suck ass and fall flat on its face in europe and japan..

it also shows you that money means nothing about company inteligence

"Project Midway"
Miscaculation of price in europe
Wrong priorities (see japan)

Who said that Microsoft was poorer?  

All I\'ve been hearing is that XBOX is surviving only b/c of its great financial back-up form Microsoft.

Originally posted by Chrono
well, the xbox has shown us the money means nothing
the conosle can still suck ass and fall flat on its face in europe and japan..

it also shows you that money means nothing about company inteligence

Did I mention Xbox or intelligence even once in my post?!



Then again, this is the console debate forum, so this is expected. Anyways, I keep on finding people in this forum who thinks that Sony is richer than MS. Bigger, yes, but definitely not richer, so I posted this to break the "veil of ignorance".

"Did I mention Xbox or intelligence even once in my post?!"

Well, obviously you geared your post to make it seem that the xbox would be better, but its very obvious that money has done very little to make the xbox "good" or "sell well"

Besides, this is a console debate forum, not a company debate forum... its off topic if your topic is not geared that way

Great topic:rolleyes:, atleast Chrono tried to relate it to games.

all I was trying to get at is, money is not everything

Obviously a company needs to have inteligence and a good reputation on top of money.. and also follow the law, unlike microsoft.. and don\'t get me started on the antitrust trial.

erm who actually cares who is richer????? i just cae what stuf they make etc

heres a fact you forgot to mention

employees -

m$ - 39 thousand
sony - 182 thousand

i think yer info is either outdated or bunk
sony makes SO many products its sickening

so why do we think think sony is bigger and richer than m$?  because they are.

i decided to waste 5 minutes to make you look dumb
go to fortune.com and look at the world list


company            rank           revenue

sony /                30   /           66,158.4

m$ /                    201 /           22,956.0


run along newb
oh and read this article to see what a behemoth sony is
a gorilla named sony

When comparing two companies of this size, it doesn\'t matter anymore which company is "richer". What is interesting is, how much money is the company making.

Last time I checked, Sony was quite a bit higher than Microsoft.
I think sales also reflect this as you posted:

Sony $59.2B
MS $27.7B

Another thing that I think you should mention is that Microsoft is on a decline, while Sony\'s is increasing. If Microsoft continues its business, I wonder how the future will look like...

Originally posted by Chrono
well, the xbox has shown us the money means nothing
the conosle can still suck ass and fall flat on its face in europe and japan..

it also shows you that money means nothing about company inteligence

"Project Midway"
Miscaculation of price in europe
Wrong priorities (see japan)

You know what? Thats real stupid to say that. Xbox does not suck.  I mean do you get off console bashing. I mean you don\'t give any real facts as to why the console sucks. Because the console does not suck all you say is "xbox suck":rolleyes:

I mean it\'s real annoying hearing you just bash, and bash, for no reason.

And as for the topic. Everyone knows Ms has 20 times more money than sony. And I don\'t recall anyone on the forum saying sony was richer than ms.

You know what? Thats real stupid to say that. Xbox does not suck. I mean do you get off console bashing. I mean you don\'t give any real facts as to why the console sucks. Because the console does not suck all you say is "xbox suck"

He no where said that "Xbox sucks" - Reread his post.

And as for the topic. Everyone knows Ms has 20 times more money than sony. And I don\'t recall anyone on the forum saying sony was richer than ms.

It\'s not 20 - more like 8 if the published numbers are correct. But for all we know, Sony is huge and I question the credibility of those numbers hence that reason.

did quddus NOT read my post above?????


anyways, yeah its getting real lame to read "xbox sucks" over and over again

at least state the lack of A+ titles or something

/me runs and hides

Originally posted by seven


It\'s not 20 - more like 8 if the published numbers are correct. But for all we know, Sony is huge and I question the credibility of those numbers hence that reason.

MS is worth around 450 Billion. Sony is worth 50-60