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Offline Terry Bogard
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« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2002, 04:15:24 PM »
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Didnt you read any of mm\'s posts?



That doesn\'t matter,  


I\'m just trying to figure out why you are pulling comments like that.   Please do you care to enlighten me on how exactly Sony\'s plan is flaw free.  I mean come on, both sides have issues to work out everyone knows that.  MM has said some good things, but, im still waiting for you to fill me in on the pros and cons of both camps, so i know where you are coming from....because right now, i dunno WTF u are talking about by saying Sony\'s online plans are flawless.

Dear god, i am actually defending both consoles kind of.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2002, 04:17:54 PM by Terry Bogard »
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« Reply #76 on: May 23, 2002, 04:19:46 PM »
I will tell you one thing they are alot better then MS\'s.

Whats wrong with Sony\'s plans?  How can I tell you a flaw when there is none?

If you want to know more about pros and cons of the consoles online plan  ask mm his knowledge dwarfs even mine.
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« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2002, 04:21:40 PM »
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I will tell you one thing they are alot better then MS\'s.

Whats wrong with Sony\'s plans?  How can I tell you a flaw when there is none?

If you want to know more about pros and cons of the consoles  ask mm his knowledge dwarfs even mine.



I already know his comments on the whole online thing.  I respect his Opipion also, as to he is the head hancho around here mainly. (not sucking up MM)  Then if sony has no flaws, then neither does MS.  Not yet anyways.
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« Reply #78 on: May 23, 2002, 04:21:57 PM »
good god man, im just a kommunist leader with a pet chimp, wtf do i know

:P

they\'re both flawed and suck  compared to online PC gaming
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« Reply #79 on: May 23, 2002, 04:40:16 PM »
Look, certain games will require the HDD, that splits the userbase since not everyone will have it, there\'s one problem.  The second problem is individual server costs per game from developers.  If FFXI costs 10 bucks on its own, and EA charges 10 bucks a month for its private servers (hypothetically) or to play Street Fighter online, Capcom charges 10 bucks a year?  That all adds up in the end and could be one big ass flaw.  People are iffy about spending 10 bucks to use playonline, imagine how they\'ll be when it comes to three companies asking for their money.

As for MS, their plans are a bit more stable with their software, but that still doesn\'t mean every developer will be satisfied with their options.  What if Activistion (announced already) doesn\'t want to use MS\' plans and want\'s to use its private servers, but requires the MS startup kit regardless to play its XBox games online?  That\'s a large investment already.  If you love THPS, you\'d be sh*t out of luck there.  That\'s just one flaw, 50 bucks a year is another that needs to be addressed.  How many good games will come out that will be online will I want to play?  If I play 50 bucks a year and play one game for one month, that\'s mean throwing cash away.  Oh well, it\'s all in the rafters isn\'t it?

I won\'t even get into the arguement of BB only vs BB/56K.  The flaws have already been pointed out in this thread.  It all boils down to the games.  If FFXI is worth your 10 bucks a month, then go for it, just remember you need a BB adapter and an HDD to play it though.  If Halo online is worth your XBox online experience, just remember that it\'s 50 bucks a year (or 10 bucks a month) and requires a startup kit with mandatory headset that costs 50 bucks (but that offsets thanks to one free year of Xbox online when you buy the startup kit.

Then again, in three years when Xbox goes to Xbox 2, just how much longer will this investment be worth it?  You\'ll have to make it all over again. :)
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« Reply #80 on: May 23, 2002, 04:43:35 PM »
i would put anythiing on the line to say that individual devs WILL NOT charge to play online

its a retarded business model
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« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2002, 04:47:33 PM »
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i would put anythiing on the line to say that individual devs WILL NOT charge to play online

its a retarded business model




What exactly do you mean individual devs?:confused:
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« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2002, 04:49:43 PM »
EA charging a monthly fee to play madden 2003 online
activision charging to play tony hawk 4 online
namco charging to play thier titles online
polyphony charging to play thier titles online

you pay the intial fee for thier game ($40), you take it home, stick it in yer PS2, and play, for free

etc etc
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« Reply #83 on: May 23, 2002, 04:51:31 PM »
*trys to keep up with mm\'s brilliant posts :nut:

This is why this guy is the boss around here.

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« Reply #84 on: May 23, 2002, 04:52:35 PM »
Tell that to Square.  They are not charging people to play FFXI you know, they are charging them to use the PlayOnline service.  When additionaly games are made for it, the costs will be the same even if you dont play FFXI.
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« Reply #85 on: May 24, 2002, 10:42:36 AM »
Cat 5 patch cords are very cheap.

I get them for free.

Cause I can make my own.

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« Reply #86 on: May 24, 2002, 10:51:45 AM »
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Tell that to Square.  They are not charging people to play FFXI you know, they are charging them to use the PlayOnline service.  When additionaly games are made for it, the costs will be the same even if you dont play FFXI.


I believe FFXI is a MMORPG - setting up a server to deal with massive users online at the same time costs a bit more than the usual thing. And what about Peer-to-Peer? It works on the PC, why shouldn\'t it on PS2? No cost there...

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« Reply #87 on: May 24, 2002, 04:52:24 PM »
yeah, someone around here has been rambling about gaming being peer to peer [no centralized server] for months now

i wonder who that genius is?
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« Reply #88 on: May 25, 2002, 08:05:27 PM »
Socom is not peer to peer and that\'s just one example.  There will be plenty others I\'m sure, but who charges what, we shall see.  What\'s great about PC gaming is that not only can companies set up servers for their games, but so can regular joes off the street so the companies don\'t have to fully fund them at all.  I know about 95% of the CS servers (most popular online game in the world) has server funding from regular people completely independant from Sierra. :)
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« Reply #89 on: May 25, 2002, 10:51:54 PM »
Although I would have said yes to this question a month ago.. I\'d have to say no.. Xbox\'s future actually looks like it could grow up nicely. The games only get better through time, bringing more gamers, selling more consoles = LESS MONEY LOST.. lol

But I\'m really happy that the price did drop, cause I will be getting one come July 25th.:)
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