Reds win!

Originally posted by LUKE


what facts? that YOU think Wrigley Feild sucks? That YOU think the Tribune Company doesnt want to win? that YOU think Don baylor cant manage?

ok well ill give you the Don Baylor one.


But mark my words man, the cubs are about to change thier losing ways. It just took 90 years.

don wasnt too bad IMO the last to years, this yr, he just plain sucks though. O well, with luck he wont have a job in chi next year.

Yeah...  This mystifies me.  How many players go out two months with an injury and come back to the big club immediately?  Why shouldn\'t Junior go on a rehab assignment with the Triple-A ballclub (the Louisville Bats?)  He\'s a great player and I want him playing for the Reds, but his behavior needs work.

Originally posted by luckee


don wasnt too bad IMO the last to years, this yr, he just plain sucks though. O well, with luck he wont have a job in chi next year.

rumors are the players want him fired.

Originally posted by Pizza Guy
but his behavior needs work.

ahh, yet another person who wants to suggest what someone else should do in life. Untill you are a perfect person, work on yerself.

Originally posted by LUKE


rumors are the players want him fired.

Im not surprised, his coaching is at an all time low now IMO.

I know the history of Wrigley, Luke, and maybe the word "cesspool" was a little strong, but, from a non-Chicagoan, the place is antiquated.  But, I can\'t blame you for sticking up for it though.  We used to have a ballpark here in Cincinnati that was just as revered as Wrigley called Crosley Field, and in many ways, they\'re similar.  When Crosley was abandoned in mid-1970, a lot of people poo-pooed the idea of playing in a concrete donut, but the move paid off.

By the way, visit Crosley Field.com

Also, Bob Boone is catching hell, too.  His overmanaging bugs the hell out of me.

Pizza guy, take it from someone who is a New Yorker, and thus unbiased: Wrigley Field is a great park.  I hope they never change it.

And by the way Pizza Guy, I was born in Cincinnati, so I kinda know what I\'m talking about here: The Reds fields, past and present, aren\'t as good as Wrigley.

As for the Cubs, they sure as hell have a good team, and I do not think it will be long before they make a move at the NL Central crown.  Just look at the team for a moment.  Their pitching is great.  We all know about Wood.  Lieber is a very strong pitcher, not to mention the best on the staff last year.  Prior is the most promising pitching prospect, not just right now, but possibly ever.  They have been dealing with a lot of bull pen related injuries, but when Gordon gets back, the team will basically have two closers.  Either one will be great as a setup man.  

Their hitting is what has let them down, but I think they have a promising future here too.  Alou will not keep struggling as he has been.  McGriff is decent, and as Luke said, they have another 1b on the way.  Patterson is a promising young player from what I\'ve seen in him.  Hill has looked good as well.  Then you have Sosa.  If this club ever starts hitting well, which they haven\'t been doing so far, watch out.

Wrigley field isn\'t all nice and new like a lot of fields in baseball but people from all around take trips just to see the field so that should go for something.

I don\'t like when people take down historic fields. Even if a team moves to a new field i think they should leave the old one up. Especially if it has alot of history. Oh well, go D-Backs.

Originally posted by Pizza Guy
Not to mention that we\'ve got the best closer in the game in Danny Graves.

 

Really?  I can name atleast 4 guys that are better than him.  

Jason Isringhausen
John Smoltz
Mariano Rivera
Eric Gagne

I\'ve been to Wrigley, it was a nice park for being so old.  Oh BTW shock, how bout them BRAVES!  Taking first place woo.

I can name more than 4 closers better than Graves.  Smoltz isn\'t one of them, at least he hasn\'t been yet.

Nen, Wagner, Percival, Hoffman, Rivera, and Sasaki are the best in the game in my opinion.

Smoltz is awesome, you obviously don\'t watch the Braves much.  Stupid Mets fan....jeez

I forgot about Nen, Sasaki, and Hoffman for some odd reason.

I hate the braves.

Yes, because nothing says awesome for a closer like an ERA of 5.93 :rolleyes:

By the way, he blew ANOTHER save tonight.  Good job.  

The times I\'ve seen him pitch were against the Mets.  He sucked in those games.  But with an ERA of almost 6, I\'d say he\'s one of the worst closers out there right now.  Definitely not one of the best.