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« Reply #105 on: June 04, 2002, 12:40:35 PM »
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BTW altered beast, why do you want FF11 to fail?


Where did he imply he wanted the game to fail?

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FF is the best game series in the world, and if FF11 fails, who knows what could happen to the series


FFXI is a side project (I think it should have been FF Online), it would just be a horrible forgotten memory like Square Pictures...

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« Reply #106 on: June 04, 2002, 01:11:12 PM »
FF11 sales arent bombing, and he says they are, so he wants it to fail.

Anyone can tell he wants it to fail

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« Reply #107 on: June 04, 2002, 01:20:52 PM »
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FF11 sales arent bombing, and he says they are, so he wants it to fail.


I think he\'s more inclining that they are rather poor sales for such a hyped up game...as for wanting it to fail?  Alteredbeast is way above that...

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Anyone can tell he wants it to fail


You just haven\'t been here long enough to know the manner in which some people post...

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« Reply #108 on: June 04, 2002, 01:28:23 PM »
So if i post x box sales are bombing what would you think?

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« Reply #109 on: June 04, 2002, 03:15:52 PM »
Bombing where? would be my next question...

I don\'t know you very well at all, and being that your a noob I would jump on any comment you made...after a while I would figure you out and learn what\'s worth getting into and whether you\'re just talking out your ass or not...

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« Reply #110 on: June 04, 2002, 04:39:04 PM »
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I will be back in 6 days.

Darn  :D
Ginko, you\'ve been in a lot of heated discussions with Clowd before... you know where a lot of his comments come from.
And as for add-ons, and sales figures...  Most reason why addons fail, and most company do not really want to get into addons is because it ends up splitting the market to those who have them and those who don\'t.  Like the N64 memory addon.  I never bought it, and therefor didnt play a lot of the later games that came out that I believe required it.  Besides I couldn\'t find a stellar titled game which I thought was a must have for the N64 that required the addon. (there probably were, but at that point, my N64 had collected too much dust to find the console itself..  Don\'t get me wrong, I loved the little bugger)
Chances are, the HDD may fail.  Chances are that FFXI will make square go bankrupt.  But the FF series being one of the most bought games of all time, Sony and Square took a gamble.  I\'ll end up buying it, and I\'ll end up playing it, and as long as the servers are up and running, I really wouldn\'t care if others bought the game or not.  As long as its fun and keeps my interest, then I really wouldn\'t care less if there\'s only 3 people on the network.  Now if it was just me... that\'d be pretty sad.
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« Reply #111 on: June 04, 2002, 05:39:42 PM »
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Darn  :D
Ginko, you\'ve been in a lot of heated discussions with Clowd before... you know where a lot of his comments come from.


Not a single one comes to mind...besides, I\'m all about second chances...

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« Reply #112 on: June 04, 2002, 05:52:22 PM »
I don\'t really care about FFXI. Wanting anything to fail is childish and an utter waste of time. Anyone who spends all day wishing some inanimate object will fail to meet it\'s potential is a waste of air.

That said, the FF series is starting to become average, especially when compared to Skies of Arcadia and the ilk. Final Fantasy is still using a system that was designed because of hardware limitations, now that they have the hardware to work freely, they still choose to bind themselves. FFXI looks to be a heavy departure and I hope it is good, but that won\'t stop it from bombing, now will it?


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« Reply #113 on: June 05, 2002, 11:17:33 AM »
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I don\'t mock XBox sales numbers in Japan.  In all honesty, they don\'t affect me in the slightest.  We\'re still getting Panzer Dragoon Orta, Splinter Cell, and about one or two other games that I am excited about.  Why should the Japanese sell through rate disturb me?


WOW someone who feels the same way as what i do!!
I couldn\'t give a monkeys how the games or the hardware sell, as long as i can play the game i want, i don\'t care in the slightest.
And a few people around here need to try and think in the same way, i don\'t know why they get so hooked up on a plastic shell, with some electronics in side!!

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« Reply #114 on: June 05, 2002, 11:42:47 AM »
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That said, the FF series is starting to become average, especially when compared to Skies of Arcadia and the ilk. Final Fantasy is still using a system that was designed because of hardware limitations, now that they have the hardware to work freely, they still choose to bind themselves. FFXI looks to be a heavy departure and I hope it is good, but that won\'t stop it from bombing, now will it?


Truer words have never been spoken.

The FF series has definitely gone downhill and it\'s really starting to show it\'s age.  You can modify the combat all you want, you can toy with it in a billion different ways, but if it still feels like Final Fantasy, then it\'s going to bother the hell out of me.  When I started playing FFVI (III), I started seeing why RPG\'s were so great.  The epic stories, the awesome chracters, the ability to directly enhance your characters through their actions and of course the strategy involved to winning battles such as dousing zombies with healing potions, or baking ice based enemies with fire.  The possibilities were just so great.

Since FFVI, things have not changed.  FFVII was a lot of what made FFVI great and that\'s probably why I enjoyed immensely.  Once VIII came along, I started to see the things that made the series so redundant.  It has a new magic system that was utterly horrendous, but again, the story was basically the same.  Again, IX followed suit presenting more of the same with a new format for battle, yet a similar story washed out and refried for your pleasure.  With X, things were like FFVII, but how can that be a good thing when VII was just essentially a rehash of VI?  That makes a copy of a copy of a copy and that always means things are lost and things are gained, but the lost greatly outweighed the gain.

Maybe it\'s not just the FF series, but ever since FFIX, RPG\'s didn\'t appear to be an adventure in a new world any longer, they appeared to be a 50 hour romp where the outcome is certain and the story is clarevoyent from the first word of spoken dialogue.  It\'s sad really, but RPG\'s are to the point with me where I see time wasted doing things over again with a facelift rather then seeing true innovation in the genre and Squaresoft is hugely responsible with that.  It\'s sad really, but only the RPG\'s that look to partially change the genre in some way are becoming more and more appealing to me such as Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic and Project Ego, both XBox titles.
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« Reply #115 on: June 05, 2002, 11:56:04 AM »
veru true Ryu. I played FFVIII up until the end and never had the desire to finish it. The story became so convuluted and battles took place every step, it started to become very cumbersome. You could basically beat the entire game using just GF\'s. Hell, probably just Diablo or Cerebrus would do it. I tried booting it up once to see if I had any desire to do it, but I shut it off.

I believe the first three RPG\'s I completed were FF3, CT, and PSIV, pretty much one after another. All three were very different from another, while still holding alot of the same characteristics, move forward 6 years and Squaresoft is still doing the same thing with it\'s RPGs. Skies of Arcadia was last good RPG I played. Before that, Panzer Dragoon Saga was it. Besides that, I have not been able to get into any RPGs. I am hoping that the games that Ryu mentioned above and others get me wanting to play RPGs again.

Project Ego sounds like it is going to be great, I just hope it is executed well and sticks to doing it\'s own thing and doesn;\'t rely too much on what has been done. I don\'t know about KotOR, I have looked into it and it sounds cool, but most SW games come out pretty average, exceptions being Return of the Jedi on SNES and Star Wars Trilogy Arcade. I am looking forward to playing Morrowind next week and hope the gameplay and story can mesh into eachother. I say random battles are a thing of the past and are no longer needed.


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« Reply #116 on: June 05, 2002, 12:32:36 PM »
I too am very sick of FF (as if you guys don\'t know that by now) and also have guarded optimism about Project Ego.  If it does half of what it claims it\'ll be great, if it does it all, it\'ll be the greatest RPG of all time or at least one of the most influencial.

If it kind of does everything half assed, it\'ll be forgettable, laughable even.
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« Reply #117 on: June 05, 2002, 12:33:13 PM »
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You could basically beat the entire game using just GF\'s. Hell, probably just Diablo or Cerebrus would do it. I tried booting it up once to see if I had any desire to do it, but I shut it off.


Enemies level up with you and although that makes the game more challenging, the difficulty doesn\'t change.  If the enemies increase in skill as you do, then it\'s just an endless circle.  It\'s been said that if you can avoid every battle except boss battles and still draw magic here and there, then you can porbably beat the game with no level higher then 20.  That\'s no excuse though because then there\'s nothing to be played and the game stops being a game.  It\'s an endless circle of pointlessness and it later gets killed further when the story just drops down to complete crap inserting a villain in the end who you don\'t feel any emotion towards.  Just a person in your way of seeing the next FMV.  How unoriginal.  -_-

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I believe the first three RPG\'s I completed were FF3, CT, and PSIV, pretty much one after another. All three were very different from another, while still holding alot of the same characteristics, move forward 6 years and Squaresoft is still doing the same thing with it\'s RPGs. Skies of Arcadia was last good RPG I played. Before that, Panzer Dragoon Saga was it. Besides that, I have not been able to get into any RPGs. I am hoping that the games that Ryu mentioned above and others get me wanting to play RPGs again.


Exactly.  I can only take so much of a certain genre of game so long as there are HUGE differences being made along the way.  The same thing can be said about platformers, which have not evolved much at all since Mario64.

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I don\'t know about KotOR, I have looked into it and it sounds cool, but most SW games come out pretty average, exceptions being Return of the Jedi on SNES and Star Wars Trilogy Arcade. I am looking forward to playing Morrowind next week and hope the gameplay and story can mesh into eachother. I say random battles are a thing of the past and are no longer needed.


KotOR is something I\'m looking forward to probably moreso then most other games.  The main reason is because I\'m a Star Wars fan and I have been waiting for so long to be able to play a Star Wars RPG, one where I can increase my skills over time and become a Jedi Knight.  It\'s hard for other RPG\'s to say the same thing because there\'s probably no status sought after moreso then that in any universe.  I mean, achieving the rank is always so mysterious, the jedi trials, the training, etc etc.  It just intrigues the hell out of me, but that doesn\'t mean it\'ll be good.  Afterall, Obi-Wan was fairly original and that game is pretty damn crappy.  KotOR will still require you to use a multiple party system and that may turn me off to the whole game.  Who knows though, we\'ll all see in November.

Speaking of which... let\'s not forget about the ever impressive Star Wars Galaxies, but MMORPG is not really the same thing as RPG even though both are coming to the XBox. :)
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« Reply #118 on: June 05, 2002, 02:34:03 PM »
RPGs suck...

Except Phantasy Star and Grandia 2...

Grandia 2 is the best RPG I\'ve ever played and thats saying alot...

So refreshing from the tired formula of wander, engage in battle, select attack and let the game do everything for you.

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« Reply #119 on: June 05, 2002, 07:36:15 PM »
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I believe the first three RPG\'s I completed were FF3, CT, and PSIV, pretty much one after another. All three were very different from another, while still holding alot of the same characteristics, move forward 6 years and Squaresoft is still doing the same thing with it\'s RPGs.


I disagree.  Squaresoft are still doing the same thing with their RPG\'s?  How many RPG\'s have they released recently?  3. Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy XI, and Kingdom Hearts.  How many of these are still doing the same old thing?  1.  Final Fantasy X.  It seems to me that you, like most people are confusing Square with Final Fantasy.  Sure it is their largest and (IMO) still their best games (ive loved them all except 8) but you cant pigeon hole an entire company based on their most successful franchise.

Final Fantasy is Final Fantasy because thats what it is (duh).  Changing things dramatically would be very negative and would lose that feeling of the game being just that, a Final Fantasy.  I.E. Final Fantasy XI.  FFX changed more subtly but the change existed and it was a good change.  To go with the demand for change i really expect Square to change FFXII even more.  (this paragraph featured the word "change" more than any other paragraph in history)

Kingdom Hearts, a colorful and fun real-time battle system that everyone says is fantastic.  (i think it looks like Zelda on speed) and FFXI, a Real time MMORPG.. how can you say that 6 years later Square are still doing the same thing with their RPG\'s when you are referring to just one game??

 

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