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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2002, 03:59:01 PM »
For me its: Capcom/Namco
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2002, 05:47:03 PM »
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Squaresoft is an overrated one-trick-Pony.

Explain yourself, and I\'ll counter argue it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2002, 06:01:20 PM »
DXB isn\'t totally wrong.

Besides FF, what else has Square put out, worth mentioning?

Not that they need anything else.
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2002, 06:09:47 PM »
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Besides FF, what else has Square put out, worth mentioning?

Parasite Eve
Vagrant Story
Kingdom Hearts
Chrono Series
Romancing Saga
Front Mission
Racing Lagoon
Xenogears
Bushido Blade
Tobal
Seiken Densetsu

Just to name a few
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2002, 06:14:19 PM »
You have made your point...

I admit defeat...
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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2002, 06:17:43 PM »
darnit Ashford!!  I wanted a heated debate :D
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2002, 06:53:15 PM »
I\'d say EA. I play mostly sports games and they make alot of good ones.
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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2002, 07:09:06 PM »
mm: Rare hasn\'t been worth it at all since Conker and I\'m really skeptical about SF:A.  They don\'t produce the number of games as a Sega or Capcom, either.

A few months back I would have said Sega, hands down, but they\'ve cooled off since the initial software binge, in my opinion.

Right now I\'d go with.. wow I don\'t know.  A lot of companies like Square and EA and Capcom and THQ and Rockstar and Activision have their gems, but not so many as to put them over the top.

So I\'ll go for my personal favorite third party in THQ, though losing AKI as a developer drops their value for me.

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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2002, 07:18:34 PM »
I\'m not  debating the quality of those Square titles, but how many of them sell systems?  No one says I need Front Mission
or I\'m not buying a console.
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2002, 07:23:37 PM »
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I\'m not  debating the quality of those Square titles, but how many of them sell systems?  No one says I need Front Mission
or I\'m not buying a console.

And a lot of people would say that Puzzle Fighter is not a good enough reason to buy a system.

You\'re right, that Front Mission on its own would not sell consoles, but I simply was debating against the argument that Square is a one-trick pony rehashing old ideas.  Square makes a variety of good quality games, and is a valid candidate to be one of the most important 3rd parties.
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2002, 07:34:44 PM »
Right but Square does not have many titles that people love and would buy a system for.

Capcom: RE, SF, Megaman, DMC, Genma

Sega: Daytona, VF, Sonic, Shenmue, Panzer

You could make the argument that these two companies are just as good in one genre as another.  Square is good with RPGs, and they do other stuff too.

And then when you factor in the whore that EA is and all the publishing they do, they are much more important than Square.
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2002, 07:59:34 PM »
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Right but Square does not have many titles that people love and would buy a system for.

Capcom: RE, SF, Megaman, DMC, Genma

Sega: Daytona, VF, Sonic, Shenmue, Panzer

You could make the argument that these two companies are just as good in one genre as another.  Square is good with RPGs, and they do other stuff too.

And then when you factor in the whore that EA is and all the publishing they do, they are much more important than Square.

Right, Capcom makes good Horror/Action and Arcade titles, and Sega makes good titles in a variety of genres.  Same goes with Namco.

And I look back at my library of games, and most of the ones that stand out to me are made by Square.  Yes there are a few made by Namco, a few made by Konami, a few made by Capcom, and a few made by Sega.  However many of those games developed by Square which I mentioned about earlier actually do sell consoles (obviously not all the games I listed).  The average Japanese gamer center around the RPG genre, and Square being one of the best developers for RPGs, stand out as ONE of the most important 3rd party developers.

Then you shift the field to the States, where Action type games tend to receive a better liking than RPGs.  In such cases, arcade hits such as Daytona and Street Fighter begin to shine, and sell consoles.

Sales are relative to what kind of audience you have.  Square and Enix were both big time companies here in Japan during the NES/SNES, however they were barely known in the States.  Whenever there was a new FF released, or a new DQ released, people lined up the stores from days beforehand just to get a hold of the game.  Many kids were mugged by people that wanted the game badly.  So in Japan, the biggest 3rd party developers were Square and Enix.

Outside of Japan however, there is a different audience with a higher demand for other types of games, so the argument can easily go towards a different company.

You also have to remember the history of the companies which you mentioned.  Capcom, Namco, and Sega all started out (and are still active) in the coin-op Arcade scene.  Most games those three developers produced were Arcade games ported to consoles.  One of Capcom\'s first ventures of creating a strictly Console based game was Resident Evil, and it was a large hit.  Namco even more so is still coin-op based, with exceptions of recent hits such as XenoSaga (which by the way is only published by Namco, but not developed by Namco).
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2002, 09:41:49 PM »
Square and Enix... in Japan

If those companies were to put exclusive games on the XBox you could sit and watch the XBox sales SKYROCKET

Capcom, EA, Rare, Namco

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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2002, 08:36:47 AM »
I\'ll agree with the US/Japan difference.

I don\'t think most of Square\'s titles matter at all to US consumers, but in Japan they do move consoles and get people exited.
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2002, 08:40:08 AM »
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I\'ll agree with the US/Japan difference.

I don\'t think most of Square\'s titles matter at all to US consumers, but in Japan they do move consoles and get people exited.


In Japan, Square and Enix

in USA its EA

and worldwide apeal.. its Capcom

but we all know Japan is the most important  ;):p
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