Whew, that was a close one.

Here is proof of evolution:


The HIV virus is a very interesting virus in a evolutionery way. We all know that there exists medicins that can stop the HIV virus from spreading so fast in the body. The problem is that the medicne only works for some months and then you have to take another medicine. Why is this so? The HIV virus evolves in accordance with C.D theory of natural selection. A patient that has the HIV virus has 2 different viruses. The dominating HIV (A) virus and another virus HIV (. When we use medicine on a patient with HIV (A), the medicine kills the A virus but when we do this the B virus becomes the dominating virus because B is now the most adapted virus to the body. So after a couple of month the medicine has now killed almost every A virus but the patient becomes infected again because the medicine doesn´t work on virus B that has now becomed the dominating virus because it is more suitible for the host. Now we have to use 2 medicines to keep the patient alive. One to fight the A virus and one to fight the B virus but when we use this 2 medicines a third virus becomes dominating in the body (A mutated version of the A virus that survided the first medicine), a.s.o Today we have 16 medicines to fight HIV. But when we come to mutation 17 there is nothing to stop the virus. We have actually created new viruses.
Back in 1997 a young scientist came up with a very interesting theory. He based his theory on natural selection and thought that if A is the most adapted virus to live in a human body and B is the most adapted virus to live in the body when the body has been treaten with medicine why not stop with medicine when virus B has becomed the dominating virus in the body. If we do this the natural selection would make the A virus the dominating virus again because it is the most adpted virus for a body that is not treaten with medicine. So a patient that had used all 14 medicines (back in 1997) bought this concept and stopped using medicine. After 6 weeks they did a test on him and they did now belive the results. Virus A was now the dominating virus again!!! So now they could use the original medicine on the patient again.
So when the B virus becomes the dominating virus after the medicine has almost eliminated the A virus we stop using medicine on the patient. The new enviroment in the body after using medicine is more suitible for the B virus but if we stop using medicine the A virus is the most siutible virus and will eliminate the B virus that is not suitible for the enviroment.
This people is true evolution!!!!
If this can not prove evolution nothing can!!!
This is a obviously proof of evolution.

[Titan]

Well said Bossieman, well said.

Its interesting that today in the year 2002 people still belives that God created earth and humans and everything.
Even when humans discovers aminoacid on other planets, religios people will still claim its God. Just like Earth is flat and not round. We should be very happy that religion has a smaller affect nowadays than a couple of hundreds years back.

Scientist uses methods to determinate how long time ago things happened. They use Uran 238 And Thorium to find out that the oldest stars in universe is 14 billion years old.


What is this topic about? If evolution is true or is it about a God created everything??

That is far from proof...here why

Talk all you want about that, but it still doesnt explain how it arrived

Thank You for the very educating article on how AIDS attacks its victims.  It doesnt seem to be more then that.

What is this suppose to prove?  Survival of the fitest?  The scientists made the conditions more favorable to B,  and B thrived.  How does this prove evolution, please explain bossieman

Originally posted by Bossieman
Its interesting that today in the year 2002 people still belives that God created earth and humans and everything.
Even when humans discovers aminoacid on other planets, religios people will still claim its God. Just like Earth is flat and not round. We should be very happy that religion has a smaller affect nowadays than a couple of hundreds years back.

Scientist uses methods to determinate how long time ago things happened. They use Uran 238 And Thorium to find out that the oldest stars in universe is 14 billion years old.


What is this topic about? If evolution is true or is it about a God created everything??

Well said.  You shoulda been here earlier

The topic was basically about if God created everything.  Clowd claimed that he could prove creationism to us all.

Originally posted by Bossieman
Its interesting that today in the year 2002 people still belives that God created earth and humans and everything.
Even when humans discovers aminoacid on other planets, religios people will still claim its God. Just like Earth is flat and not round. We should be very happy that religion has a smaller affect nowadays than a couple of hundreds years back.

Scientist uses methods to determinate how long time ago things happened. They use Uran 238 And Thorium to find out that the oldest stars in universe is 14 billion years old.


What is this topic about? If evolution is true or is it about a God created everything??

What do you mean religion said the earth was flat?  In the bible it says :  The earth is a sphere, and it hans upon nothing.  If you want the scriptures I\'ll go get them

Of course the universe is billions of years old...  , look the scientists made up hte 64 million year thing to correspond with evolution,  they cant prove it, like they cant prove million year old humans

EDIT:

Science didnt find amino acids on another planet...

As for me not being able to prove creation, look,  if you werent taught in school evolution (the reason why creation isnt taught anymore is seperation of church and state, NOT evolution is the right way) right now you would be wondering,  what is the meaning of life?  Who is my creator?

No I wouldn\'t.  I have something else besides school telling me there is no God.  It\'s called common sense.

Originally posted by Clowd

 How does this prove evolution, please explain bossieman

As I stated this proves that the must adaptive virus becomes the most dominating in the host.
An other example is bacteria. You kill bacteria with antibiotica. The problem with A-B is that bacteria has a very simple DNA structure. This makes bacteria very good on mutation. So when we use antibiotics on bacteria a small amount of bacteria survises (due to mutation). This bacteria has to be killed with an other type of A-B. But nature always evolves faster than we create new A-B.
Today in the year 2002 bacteria has evolved the last 50 years so fast that a lot of A-B doesnt work at all. Why do you think that A-B doesnt work on a specific bacteria?? A-B worked on the bacteria 40 years ago but it doesnt work anymore, WHY???? Don´t you find that strange?Well the answer is very simple, the bacteria that causes a certain illness has mutated and is now resistent to ur A-B.
This is evolution and it is happening around us as we speak.
You can ask any Doctor or biologiest and they will all give you the same answer. Bacteria has evolved so fast that we can barely fight it anymore. Soon we will not have A-B because its useless, bacteria has mutated and evolved.

Originally posted by shockwaves
No I wouldn\'t.  I have something else besides school telling me there is no God.  It\'s called common sense.

common sense?

do you think albert einstein has common sense?

your common sense thinks the eye evolved

your common sense thinks the brain evolved

your common sense says this was put in perfect order on the human body

your common sense says feelings, thoughts,  wondering about the meaning of life,  is all because you just evolved higher then everyone.

your common sense says animals still need to evolve

your common sense denys the giraffe, with its incredible heart, the wood pecker with its incredible wrapping behind the skull tongue,  that one bug that shoots that acid, oh if you only knew what goes on inside it to create that acid,  what has to happen to stop the bug from exploding itself

your common sense believes in the odds of a printing shop blowing up and resulting in an unabridged dictionary

Originally posted by Clowd


Science didnt find amino acids on another planet...

I said "when"

Originally posted by Clowd

In the bible it says : The earth is a sphere, and it hans upon nothing

Can you give me the Page number or chapter, I will check this up.
Can U please give me this so I can check it up?

Originally posted by Clowd


common sense?

do you think albert einstein has common sense?

your common sense thinks the eye evolved

your common sense thinks the brain evolved

your common sense says this was put in perfect order on the human body

your common sense says feelings, thoughts,  wondering about the meaning of life,  is all because you just evolved higher then everyone.

your common sense says animals still need to evolve

your common sense denys the giraffe, with its incredible heart, the wood pecker with its incredible wrapping behind the skull tongue,  that one bug that shoots that acid, oh if you only knew what goes on inside it to create that acid,  what has to happen to stop the bug from exploding itself

your common sense believes in the odds of a printing shop blowing up and resulting in an unabridged dictionary

Pretty much, yes.  Although, I do not think the human body is in perfect order.  That\'s why you get things like clogged arteries, heart conditions, etc.  There is always room for improvement, and as long as that is true, evolution should continue.

Originally posted by Bossieman


As I stated this proves that the must adaptive virus becomes the most dominating in the host.
An other example is bacteria. You kill bacteria with antibiotica. The problem with A-B is that bacteria has a very simple DNA structure. This makes bacteria very good on mutation. So when we use antibiotics on bacteria a small amount of bacteria survises (due to mutation). This bacteria has to be killed with an other type of A-B. But nature always evolves faster than we create new A-B.
Today in the year 2002 bacteria has evolved the last 50 years so fast that a lot of A-B doesnt work at all. Why do you think that A-B doesnt work on a specific bacteria?? A-B worked on the bacteria 40 years ago but it doesnt work anymore, WHY???? Don´t you find that strange?Well the answer is very simple, the bacteria that causes a certain illness has mutated and is now resistent to ur A-B.
This is evolution and it is happening around us as we speak.
You can ask any Doctor or biologiest and they will all give you the same answer. Bacteria has evolved so fast that we can barely fight it anymore. Soon we will not have A-B because its useless, bacteria has mutated and evolved.

ok bacteria mutates,  but this doesnt prove evolution. what is it mutating to?  just different types of the same thing.  until it creates a new bacteria,  this isnt proof of anything

  Give evolution a foundation (how a cell got formed and multiplied and and came together to create a lifeform)

Evolution, simplified, is just what bossieman explained.  Some of the species mutates to become better fit for the conditions (that clearly happens here).  Then the ones that don\'t mutate die out, and the ones that do live on (survival of the fittest).  After that, the mutated species reproduces, making the mutation a norm (evolution).  What is there to deny?

The beginning of life has little to do with evolution.  That\'s why many people believe in creationism followed by evolution.  Evolution just shows how things progress and improve.

Originally posted by shockwaves


Pretty much, yes.  Although, I do not think the human body is in perfect order.  That\'s why you get things like clogged arteries, heart conditions, etc.  There is always room for improvement, and as long as that is true, evolution should continue.

What I mean by perfect order is the legs are in the right place, they arent sticking our of your head.

Clooged arteries are caused by eating the wrong foods.  

What do you mean by heart condition?