Part I. The Orgin of Life.
http://www.awitness.org/contrabib/torah/future.htmlAlthough not taken from a university or science magazine so as to completely credify it\'s claims, the artical does pose some interesting questions. However, as versions of the bible change from faction to faction, it\'s hard to tell if this version matches the version Clowd gets his information from. Until Clowd posts a link or at LEAST a version of the bible he believes in so as to verify passages, it stands that Moses did not write Genesis.
As for the rest of this small section, until you clearly define what a "day" is, you cannot debate further since a "day" as it regards to genesis is a VERY abstract term believed to cover anywhere from 24 hours to 24 million years.
As for Stephen Dawkings, you do realize that he\'s not quite the best source for you to be quoting from. He is not a creationist through complexity, but a hardliner atheist. As for using his example of the spontanious generation of life, yes, by most theories now it is increadibly unlikely that life arose on this planet at all. Common sence tells you that it shouldn\'t have happened.. but it did. What should we attribute this to? God? No.. actually there is a much better solution if you would simply open your eyes to new possiblities rather than just throwing your hands up in the air and attributing it all to god. Look to new, emerging, sciences such as Quantum Mechanics and reccuring patterns of complex systems - I.E. Chaos Theory. Self organization is spawned from Chaos theory, and if you\'re looking for proof of it then unfortunately it dosen\'t exist. However, theories have been tested, and results are extreemely promising. Instead of simply writing it off, I suggest downloading James Gleick\'s "Chaos: The Software", published by Autodesk in 1990. By tinkering with the simulations such Fractles, Mandelbrot Sets, Non-Linear attractors, and such, and by changing certain aspects of the simulations, you can see for yourself the basics of theories of how order can (and it does, it seems) arise from what we consider chaos.
Of course, once again.. you won\'t.
I have the programs on my computer now, and anyone who wants to get a copy from me, just PM me an Email address. (As I\'m fairly sure the software is Freeware/abandonware by now)
Oh, and just for the record, Self Organizing theory isn\'t a "Fact Free" science of pure ideas either.. as actual labratory tests have backed up it\'s hypothysis.
Unexpected evidence comes from Lou Allamandola [13]:
"The most amazing thing is that we start with something really simple. And then suddenly we\'re making this enormous range of complex molecules. When I see this kind of complexity forming under these exceedingly extreme conditions, I begin to really believe that life is a cosmic imperative." and from Biliang Zhang & Tom Cech [14], who isolated RNA\'s that could efficiently link specific amino acids together. These pseudo-ribosomes were selected from a random pool of 1015 synthetic RNA\'s. So, there is enough evidence to invalidate the claim, that complexity theory is \'fact-free science\'. Recently Yao et al [16] described a four-component peptide system that is capable of auto- and cross-catalysis and which supports the suggestion that self-replicating peptides may have played a role in the origin of life.
Taken from the same site as I posted earlier in Gohan\'s thread about Intelligent Design theory...
here.As for most all of the rest of your paragraph, it\'s incorperated ino the SOTheory.. even your precious lefthandrighthand phenomenon.
I\'ve provided plenty of links, and a solid starting point for you. Weither you accept this knowlage or not is up to you to decide, weither or not you actually take the time to read it, understand it, and debate it in a mature manner is what I\'m really looking and hoping for.
As for your quote, pfft, I can easily list twice as many quotes from promenant scientists which claim Creationism is a load of horse shyt, and unlike you can I provide links to back them up.
Oh, and I thought I should bring this link to light. You want evidence of evolution, this site is chocked FULL of it.
Enjoy.
No evidence to support evolution eh?
