Just clearing things up for some of you idiots:

Crazy Taxi 3 looks to be a vice among all of you. This game defies all logic. Looks like shit, sounds like shit, yet, according to nearly EVERY review on the planet, is a very fun game.

But, I don\'t know, since it was released on the 24th, it was given about a week to sell. Selling 15k in a week isn\'t great, but it isn\'t as terrible as you people make it out to say. I would say this is pretty good for a game with a few magazine ads and some backs of magazines. The August number for this game will be much higher. Needless to say, don\'t expect high numbers out of this game since it is a tired franchise. Crazy Taxi on PS2 is also half the price of CT3 and was out the whole month.

HOLD ON A MINUTE!! Tennis 2K2 sold 7,000 less than Crazy Taxi 3!! I guess Sega should just pull from supporting PS2. :rolleyes btw, the Tennis game was only for sale for a day or two, so expect better sales in August for that one, too.


Perhaps if Sega took the time to actually make a game that the general gaming public can enjoy and not Jet Set Cartoon Radio (which sold 80k) or GUN-impossibly too hard for whiny bitches-VALKYRIE (50k), their games will sell better. Sega GT 2002 may perform well, you never know. A good commercial could sell many copies on graphics alone. Judging by the stores I look throguh at Best Buy, NFL2K3 is performing very decently beside Madden on XBox, despite being blown away on PS2. NBA2K3 will probably do really well on XBox, perhaps outselling Live (and it damn well should), and 2K2 outsold the GC version 2:1.

Some very casual-gamer stuff has sold terribly shitty on GC by Sega: Home Run King, Soccer Slam, NBA2K2, sports games in general sell much worse on GC, so you can pretty much count the 2K3 titles to sell worse than the XBox incarnations.

For you jackasses out there, off the top of my head, here are as many PS2 games as I can name (from the start of the year on):

Tennis2k2, NBA2K2, Virtua Fighter 4, Virtua Fighter 4, NCAA 2k3, NFL2K3, NBA2K3, NCAA b-ball 2K3, Shinobi, Gungrave, Rez, NHL2K3, Sakura Taisen 4, Virtua Cop 1 and 2, Sega Bass Fishing Duel, Soccer Slam, F355 Challenge, Space Channel 5 pt. 2, and VF4: Evolution. Those are off the top of my head, I am sure there are more.

GC off the top of my head: Monkey Ball 2, all Sega Sports 2K3 , NBA 2K2, PSO eps. I and II, Sonic Adventure 2, Beach Spikers, Home Run King, Soccer Slam, Skies of Arcadia Legend, and Sonic Mega Collection.

XBox off the top of my head: GUNVALKYRIE, NBA2K2, JSRF, all sega sports 2k3, NFL2k2, World Series Baseball, Crazy Taxi 3, Sega GT 2002, Shenmue II, Panzer Dragoon Orta, PSO v. 2, House of the Dead 3, Soccer Slam, and Toe Jam and Earl III.

What\'s the catch? Well, looking at the XBox list nearly all are either sports games on evry console, or games that were announced before or around release of the system. There have been very few Sega games that have been announced on XBox in a long time. Trigun in Japan is the last one I can think of, and that was like 4 or 5 months ago. You can see though, that Sega has gotten a better business head on it\'s shoulders. They are putting games on the consoles that suit that game. If they aren\'t, they are being paid to compensate for lost sales, something a smart business would do. THey have only been out of hardware for a year and a half, give them time, you can already see them supporting the system with the largest userbase more and more already.

One last thing: It is sad to see so many pricks in here who care only about the sales of a certain game. Especially from those with little to know interest of that said game. You people make me sick, you play sales charts and not games, apparently. So what if Sega decides to put Shenmue III, Sega Rally 3, and Phantasy Star 5 on XBox, if it makes the games any better (and we all know the hardware provides for it) then I am game. Fuck you if you want Sega to limit themselves to make a quick buck, especially with MS filling more than a few of their money problems with cash. I say, make for the best system and the unfortunate people with only one system can cry about it. I get to enjoy every Sega game made because I own all the systems.

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quick and to the point: everyone bitching in here about Sega\'s business needs to **** off. They are back in the black and 3 of their games have already gone platinum worldwide. They will be around for years to come. Hopefully in 10 years they can come to their senses, with buttloads of cash and hot propertites from successful franchises made on other systems, make a new, all powerful system that becomes a great success so I don\'t have to buy 3 consoles every generation (5 if you count broken Sony machines )


Eric Jacob

can i get a paraphrased version of all that above?

thanks

He\'s saying that we should all stop bitching about Sega not supporting the PS2 all that much, I think. Well, that\'s what I read from his last paragraph.

I would just like to say that I think SEGA have been really, really lazy with accouple of their games, particulary ones on PS2.

Ecco - What a crap game that was, complete waste of time.

F355 - Sure, its not out yet, and I know I sound like a graphics whore, but c\'mon, it looks really, really bad.

VF4 - What a let down, all I can say. Again, graphics look like crap and no real multiplayer fun.

If SEGA wanna be considered as a top fighter in the software dev arena then they need to start making some top games. Even SEGA GT 2002 has got less then favourable reviews.

The only SEGA games that Im interested in on your list is Shinobi and maybe F355 to see what all this F355 vs GT3 bitching is about.

Sega, just release Sega Rally 3 and I might start to like you

VF4 - What a let down, all I can say. Again, graphics look like crap and no real multiplayer fun.

Pssshh! He\'s gonna blame the PS2 hardware. Sega=infallible (looks at Tekken 4, Soul Calibur 2.. Yep)

Tekken 4 is awesome, pure arcade bliss.

Most PS2 games from Sega are mediocre and out dated.You forgot to add VF4 on the XBOX list.

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Ecco was crap? Maybe the PS2 version, but the DC version was far from "crap".

VF4 graphics may of been slightly lacking, but the actual game was awesome. Way before than Tekken 4 - which I thought was severely lacking. Than again, it could just be personal preference. Novel idea, eh?

As for Sega\'s games being mediocre and out dated, you forgot to mention Rez which was  an experience all to itself. Awesome game.

I think Sega has been slightly dissapointing as a third party, but I have also enjoyed some of their third party efforts. Its a give or take situation, in my opinion.

Oh it\'s perfectly clear alright. You don\'t need to be a idiot or jackass to understand anytime it\'s mentioned Sega\'s poop stinks we\'re bound to get an earful from AB/Eric about how what we are really smelling is the perfume of gaming gods and it\'s blasphemy to say or think otherwise.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Ecco was crap? Maybe the PS2 version, but the DC version was far from "crap".

Racer specifically said PS2 games, so you\'re just agreeing with him.

VF4 graphics may of been slightly lacking, but the actual game was awesome. Way before than Tekken 4 - which I thought was severely lacking. Than again, it could just be personal preference. Novel idea, eh?

VF4 was ok IMO, but it suffered from many of the problems that I had with DOA (questionable collision detection at times, easy to do punch/kick combos that take off way too much and are way to quick, not being able to hit your apponent on the ground unless the move is specifically made for that).  I tried to like this game, but in the end, it just wasn\'t fun for me.


Sega has been pretty disappointing to me as a 3rd party.  I miss the Sega from the Genesis days.  Bring back 2d Sonic!!!

Okay, you tell me what company has released more quality games this year?   You won\'t find one.

Sega rules, although they aren\'t perfect.  Sega made lots of bad games in the Genesis era too, we just forget about that now and only remember the good.

Damn, whats crawled up Altered\'s ass?

[Living-In-Clip]

Answer to Watch\'s question on what one company has released as many quality games:

Capcom . The 2001/ 2002 year for Capcom has been excellent on every console.

Then again, you knew I was going to say that.
 Other than that, I would say Sega is doin\' pretty damn well as a third party, minus a few stinkers. Sure they are whorin\' out abit, but what did everyone expect them to do? Whorin\' out means money. EA, 3DO, Capcom and Acclaim all know this well and its about time Sega figured it out.

I think he\'s just fishing for trolls, and seeing what he can catch.

Anyhow.. Sega\'s games aren\'t for everyone. There\'s a distinct gameplay difference between 9/10th\'s of Sega\'s titles and what most other people are used to playing. On the whole, I consider them to be extreemely streight forward with their games.. not a whole lot of fluff added. Other game companies add in tons of bells & whistles which really aren\'t all that useful but give the games a more sence of more depth. Sega on the otherhand.. develops most of their games with an "arcade" mentality. Easy to pick up - and jump right into the fun. (with the exception of GV of course )

I\'ve never been a huge fan of fighters.. so I can\'t say much about VF4. (Soul Calibur ow3nz them all imo) I dunno what\'s so different about the PS2 version of Ecco from the DC one that would substancially change the gameplay. I really enjoyed it.

Personally, I see Sega\'s games as a breath of fresh air in a market where there\'s only two or three leaders per genre and the rest fills up with "quick buck clones" and few imitations which actually manage to go above and beyond what the original did. Where else have you seen a game like Ecco:DotF, Jet Grind Radio, Alien Front Online, Crazy Taxi, Outrigger, Samba De Amigo, or Panzer Dragoon?

So, LiC, Sega is the second best 3rd party?--that\'s fine, although I disagree, it does come down to preference.  We can both agree that they are one of best, and I\'m fine with that.

Capcom is fine, but their survival horror and prerendered backgrounds get to me.  Like I said, it\'s all personal preference.





btw, you\'re wrong though.