Ok, Noahs Ark could not exist.

Originally posted by mm
not believing in god?  now thats just ridiculous

Why? I don\'t believe in a \'god\'. I believe that\'s something humans made up to make their miserable lives seem better.

therefore you must not believe in a realm after this one

how sad

Believing in god could be said to be rediculous too.


The sad thing is that you have blind faith.  Just believing in god because you can\'t explain things, it seems rather ignorant to say there is some supreme being.

welp, im not gonna get very involved in this discussion cause i dont feel like being circled

is sad that you guys think were no more than primates or animals, or even organisms that just cease to exist when we die and nothing more

we should just kill ourselves now and cease to live our, what was it? miserable lives?

now, im no bible thumper.  heck, ive never ever read it OR been to church more than twice in probably the last 10 years

i just know the value or believing in something grander than myself and humanity

its shallow not to

how is faith ignorance?  i choose to believe.  i dont have to have everything explained in 1\'s and 0\'s.  my god is in the process, yers is in the details.

god is not a man sitting on a throne in heaven.  he is fate.

say what you want. on yer death bed, you will be afraid of whats to happen while "the ignorant faithfull" wont

Originally posted by Samwise
I believe that\'s something humans made up to make their miserable lives seem better.

What was miserable about the ancient man\'s life?

What made their existence worse than our own?

I believe in a lot of things that science has to say; but to put your faith completely in science is just as ridiculous as putting your faith completely in a book that was written, translated, and re-written to suit political gains. IMO there are many things in the Bible that can be historically proven as fact just like there are many things that are unexplainable. The same can be said about science. Science has very little things that they can absolutely prove and many more things that they can not or will not be able to explain with our current knowledge base.

exactly

there\'s sects of people tha believe jesus didnt have the power of god to heal the sick, and he was just a medical pioneer of that age, and the people at the time saw what he did as miracles

which is fine.  perhaps he was just a "doctor" and somehow knew how to make anaesthetics and set bones

what the point is, is that it doesnt matter what happened 2000 years ago.  what yer doing today is whats refelcted on yer soul.

or do you not believe you possess  a soul?

please do not tell me you dont.  how sad and pitifull that would be

completely ruling out science OR god, is just plain ignorant

[Cerberus]

What if Noah DID exist? What if he were but a simple farmer who believed he was under devine hindsight, decided to construct a seaworthy vessel for the sole purpose of saving his OWN livestock? You know the format, 2 cows, 2 sheep, 2 pigs, 2 goats etc. What if, over time, and by the simple process of word of mouth, the story of this simple farmer\'s actions to save his own livelyhood "evloved" into the Biblical version we all know today?


So, to say that Noah did not exist can only be passed off as foolish. It is highly posible that he did exist, and that his noble actions were adopted & immortalised by whoever wrote the bible for being so called proof of Gods existance.

Originally posted by Bozco
Believing in god could be said to be rediculous too.


The sad thing is that you have blind faith.  Just believing in god because you can\'t explain things, it seems rather ignorant to say there is some supreme being.

Well I believe atheist are lost souls. Relegion is not a subject I care to argue over. And there is a fine line between science and relegion.

Science can be great, but at the same time it too can be ridiculous. I have nothing against people that don\'t believe in God. And I\'m not a major relegious buff myself. I do however believe in God.

And I also feel your statement is ignorant Boz. It\'s your choice not to belive, but it isn\'t right to say it\'s ignorant to believe in God.

And I don\'t think I belive in God just because I can\'t explain things. I belive in God because I believe in Heaven and Hell.

I could say you\'re ignorant for being a non-believer, but that isn\'t the right thing to do. Again I just believe atheist are lost souls.

To each his own.

Jaye -
The Biblical flood story is pre-dated by the flood story in the "Epic of Gilgamesh" an ancient sumerian Epic Poem. The flood story also reaches to parts of southern/western africa and the americas. "Something" happened. We just don\'t know exactly what it was.

I dont belive in a soul. What is the soul anyway? Maybe Noah did exist but he could not have done what the bible says.
Maybe the bible is just stories put togheter in a big book. Someone maybe thought that would be a cool idea. They wrote down what they belived and then the years went on. And other found the bible to be a good book and things went on. And here we are.

sigh, i cant imagine not having a soul

i think you need a hug

/me squeezes bossieman

BTW dont turn this into a science vs religion thread. The idea is too discuss if Noah saved all the species with help of a ark.

i dont think even the mightiest of born-agains could contest that noah possibly put thousands and thousands of animals onto a boat for weeks on end with only the help of his family

its a story just like dozens of others in the bible

its not the story that matters anyways, its the moral behind the story that you missed all thse years, that counts

Well ´mm´I have never belived in a soul. Maybe because I have never found a reason to have a soul. And you know me. I belive all life is the same, animals, flowers bacteria a.s.o
If I would belive I have a soul I would also have to belive all living things have a solu. And because we are made of stars the stars must have a soul too.

Originally posted by mm
i dont think even the mightiest of born-agains could contest that noah possibly put thousands and thousands of animals onto a boat for weeks on end with only the help of his family

Can you bet your balls on that?
Im sure tons of people actually belives that, I know 2 for sure.