Ok, Noahs Ark could not exist.

you may have a point there

a mother of an ex-girlfriend of mine wanted to debate one night that dinosaurs never existed cause god created the world in 7 days and nothing lived before man and the garden of eden.  she claimed all the bones and skeletons we have in museums are faked to help denounce god\'s existance.  talk about a crackpot!

i guess there are some extremist wacko\'s in the religion world, and in the *cough* science realm

like dajo said, to each thier own.  i\'ll tell you what , im not gonna be looking for guidance from a scientist when im about to die.  will you?

Originally posted by Bossieman
Actually dont belive in a soul. What is the soul anyway? Maybe Noah did exist but he could not have done what the bible says.
Maybe the bible is just stories put togheter in a big book. Someone maybe thought that would be a cool idea. They wrote down what they belived and then the years went on. And other found the bible to be a good book and things went on. And here we are.

you know the Bible is not the "complete" work , there are many Books & passages that are not included in the modern day bible( for simple logistic reasons, it would be soo BIG as a workable Text) .

Plus i think you will find that most of the writings within the bible mirror some Scientific theroys

for example

the Passage from Genisis " let there be light"

Could explain the big bang theroy

plus there are quite a few refrences that depict the world as "not on a pillar like the Greeks belevied but to be suspended in a Sea of Void"

while Noahs Ark could show earily sings of a Global climatic change, were vast regions of graze land being swamped by flash flooding.

so IMO Science isn\'t the Great enemy of Faith, rather as a Quantifiable means as explaining the world and the laws of the universe.


anyway thats just my Beliefs.

Don\'t patronize me mm. Everything you say about me I think about you, so we might as well just stop there. So to sum up: NO, I don\'t believe in a \'god\'. NO I don\'t believe in a Soul. NO I\'m not sad for not being scared of death or what happens after.

Gohan: I didn\'t mean people in a specific age or time; just mankind in general.

Originally posted by mm


like dajo said, to each thier own.  i tell you what you, im not gonna be looking for guidance from a scientist when im about to day.

well i will!! I hope this scientist is somekind of doctor that says to me:
- No prob Bossieman, we have some new cool tech here, you will live for another 10 years oor so, but we have to put a pig-hearth and some synthetic lungs in you , is that ok?
- Hell yes!!

not me.  you want to extend yer adult diaper years?  yer sitting in a old folks home slobbering on yerself and waiting for the puddng tray to come around?

when my time is up, im ready to go.  i made my peace with this life a long time ago.  

im sorry sammy, i dont mean to come off that way.  i respect anyones opinion about religion/science.  i just like to know why they think so.

just saying " i dont believe in god cause he killed my cat" never works with me.  i like to read hard core thoughts about why you feel like you do.  thats all i try to get

believeing in god and having faith in a soul and another life after this one is easy.  its denying those thoughts that is hard
tell me why

Originally posted by Bossieman


well i will!! I hope this scientist is somekind of doctor that says to me:
- No prob Bossieman, we have some new cool tech here, you will live for another 10 years oor so, but we have to put a pig-hearth and some synthetic lungs in you , is that ok?
- Hell yes!!

hmmmmm, why don\'t you sign the "freeze papers" before you die. I\'m sure some of your science buddies will come up with a new way to thaw you out and fix you so that you can live for hundreds of years.

Ted Williams did it. Maybe you can request the tray beside him.



See science can be funny too

Bossie-

Would you say that being a follower of science involves just as much faith as being a follower of religion?

Originally posted by mm

believeing in god and having faith in a soul and another life after this one is easy.  its denying those thoughts that is hard
tell me why

Its funny because I think just the other way around, but I can explain why I dont belive in a life after or a soul or a God.

Life after is relative, My molecules will be eaten by other living creatures and I will return to earth, but it is not me, just my molecules. I am made of the same molecules that the dinousaurs and people that have died during all times. I´m drinking the same water that the dinousaurs drank.
If I was reborn I would have memories and knowledge. But I was born only with genetic information from my parents. And I dont see peole walking around and telling me that they have had a life before. A life after also means you have had a life before. Do you think you had a life before?

And God is IMO just something that we have made up because we could not explain the world we lived in. We have a need to belive, we seek God when we cant explain why your child dies or you parents. We want to se something good coming out from all miserable things in our world. That it is a reason that my child died, that it will come out something good. If we dont do this alot of people would be extremely depressed.

And for the soul, read my earlier post.
Now you know why I don´t belive. I would like to know why you have your beliefs.

face it, anything that can be disproved by science, can be proved by the faithful, by saying God made it so.

There will never be any debunking of a religion as long as they have the loop hole of an almighty God that can do anything, and make anything possible.

but I do agree with you in that if we accept that God didn\'t do anything, or even exist.  The ark idea is completly false.  A while back I figured out that with the animals, food, and water that the ark carried, each animal would have only about the size of a human coffin to live in (poor elephants..).  And this was without counting birds, fish and insects.

[nO-One]

Originally posted by mm
im not gonna be looking for guidance from a scientist when im about to die.  will you?

I will
Me, on my death bed: Should I go towards the light?
Scientist: Light? bah it\'s only random electrons discharging in your brain causing you to have illusions. Just close your eyes and die already.

we dont have more than one life on this earth

our souls come from wherever they are born from, and we have the power to shape our course while we are here

this life is a test.  

science only leads to a dark, lonely path where are religion leads to a bright one

science says youll cease to exist and end up as worm food
religion says youll end up in heaven/hell

does it really matter while were here?

i cant understand how ceasing to exist doesnt terrify you
it sure scared charles darwin

Originally posted by Gohan
Bossie-

Would you say that being a follower of science involves just as much faith as being a follower of religion?

In someways yes, if I work on a problem and don´t think there is a solution I wouldn´t work on the problem. I have to belive there is a scientific solution to why there is only lefthanded proteins.
If not the problem has no meaning too me.
Well lets say someone want to know if all the use of shampoos and soups and vaccinations actually makes human weaker agains diceasses, I would jump on this because it is a interesting theory. Someone have maybe done some checkings and found this relation. Then I would go into this task with all my hearth.
I have to belive in the problem before I can do a great job.

so its not the process that you believe in, its the details (the answers)

which is what ive been saying all along

those that have faith, look for the process
those that dont, seek the answers , repeatedly

Originally posted by mm
i cant understand how ceasing to exist doesnt terrify you
it sure scared charles darwin

I don\'t know why people think this is such a big deal.

I actually think it\'s a relief to think about it that way; when you\'re dead you\'re dead. No more worries, no more BS. Even if you\'re bummed about not \'feeling the eternal love\' or whatever - who cares when you\'re dead! No feelings, no mind, no nothing. I don\'t find it terrifying and I\'m not afraid of dying. Hell, if I were to die tomorrow I wouldn\'t care (well, as long as I didn\'t know about it beforehand ). I\'m afraid of a painful death; but not death itself.

The best explanation yet is by Zacharias Zichin.And doesnt only explain what we read in the bible but other religions and mythologies.They all fit into one story.

Teh Ark could have been some kind of an aircraft and all the animals inside the "ark" were actually embryos.