Refuting The Top Ten Most Annoying Anti-War Cliches

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Oh my God, someone who makes sense.

[Titan]

I\'m all for a peaceful ending to the war, but it doesn\'t really look like war will be avoided. Unless Hussein resigns, gets cancer or murdered, we will go to war and get him out of power. He\'s also broken so many treaties that result in acts of war by the UN and we haven\'t done crap to him.

Titan, what about Isreal? They have violated NUMEROUS UN policies as well, what to do about them?

Now I wouldnt hold Sharon up there with Hussein, but still, wrong is wrong no?

[Titan]

I wasn\'t aware of Israel to be honest. I really have nothing to say. You caught me by suprise. I\'ll think of something and get back to you.

How about Israel funding terrorists is nil.

[Titan]

I don\'t really know of any treaties that Israel has broken though. luckee, enlighten me.

What terrorist funded group has Israel EVER funded?

Now, there are "extremist" on the Israeli side (especially the Religious extremist when it comes to the settlements) but NONE when it comes actual killings (unlike the Palistinians TERRORIST groups like Hamas, Al Aqsa Marytr Brigade, Islamic Jihad, groups that ARE linked to PLO and ARE funded in part by Iraq [Saddam? Prabably, but since that link can\'t be "proven", all we can say now is Iraq]).

As for breaking UN treaties and so forth, I\'m unaware of the UN doing this with Israel. That being said, I DO know that Israel has always been condemned by the UN. The thing is, the Palistinians are the ones who are killing men, women, and children with those suicide bombers let, seemingly get a free pass from the UN. It is the Palistinians (okay, the PLO) who, when given 98% of what they wanted from Israel, they rejected it. Israeli has killed more technically, but MOST have been men. The few children and women have, unforetently, been the case of "collateral" damage. Which the world has rightly condemned Israel on. However, I don\'t hear the same ferver for the Palistinian killings as they do with Israel.

I\'m not saying Israel should get a free pass on what they do (far from it), but the double standard I see disgust me to the point that its hard for me to shed any tears over the Palistinians and their suicide bombers.

Well first off, the Palestiniens had there land taken away, but im not trying to justify Suicide bombing civilian targets. And Israel isnt much better, in retaliation Israel has slaughtered MANY innocent people in civilian areas.

Like I said, Israel should NOT be giving a free pass. HOWEVER, Israel has NEVER targeted civilians as the suicide bombers (should call them what they really are, HOMICIDE bombers) have. It has always been militant (terrorist) leaders and supporters. NEVER children and women that get the headlines (its tragic these cases happen. But NEVER were they the targets of the IDF [Israeli Defense Force] unlike the terrorist groups which are PROUD of killing civilians).

As for having their land taken away, Palistinians (a made up word by the Romans BTW) was given their land during the creation of Israel (which at the time of its creation, had a significant Jewish population). The borders were what the PLO wanted (well, without the complete destruction of Israel) at the time. In fact, there was no "Palistinian" state then either. Just Jordan. However, Arabs didn\'t think it was enough (since Israel and the Jews shouldn\'t be there at all in their thinking) and so, went and had their little war (the Six-Day War). Israel won that war and is now where it is today.

The thing is, at this point, unless all Jews are killed and Israel is no more, the violence will never stop as long as the PLO and Yasser Arafat exist and the brainwashing that is taking place with Palistinian children from their hatefilled leaders continues.

And really, ever look at a map? Look at the size of Israel, and look at the Arab nations in general. I heard a comparison once, that said the Arab nations is a football field, and Israel is a matchbox. If Israel gives half of that, think they will stop?

[edit]Dirty little secret...no other Arab nation wants the Palistinians in their territory either. Lets say, Israel is REALLY the evil monster the world believes it is, and sent all the Palistinians to another Arabic nation. Most will say no. In fact, Kuwait kicked out Palistinians nationals, as well as neigboring Jordan. The only reason why people in these nations side with the Palistinians and their "fight" isn\'t because they are great friends, but because of the common hatred. The Jews and the West [which Israel is said to be an extension of the West by many muslims, the Islamofacist]).

[edit2]BTW, NO, I\'m not saying EVERY Arab or Muslim is a terrorist. NEVER DID I STATE THIS. I am not some blind hatemonger who sees everyone in one group or another as part of everything. Just that, the LEADERS, and the Imams who spout this vile are.

They say only 1% of all Muslims believe in the bastardized version of the Koran that says that people should kill all infidels (non-muslims). The thing is, there are 1 billion followers of Islam. 1% of 1 billion is a lot of believers even though they are the obvious minority.

One day, "maybe" there will be a Palistinian state. But unless the suicide bombing stops and the leaders (PLO and Israel) get together and have real conversation and isn\'t one sided (which the "world community" like the EU and the UN), there will never be one.

beheh.. can I backtrack on this thing a bit and say: One thing to the US\'s credit, they have a totally kick ass military thats trained very well. If there is going to be a war, Iraq will loose very quickly. Also, me n bobo r the same age so u prolly are old enuf to be my dad Ace

[Titan]

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Well first off, the Palestiniens had there land taken away, but im not trying to justify Suicide bombing civilian targets. And Israel isnt much better, in retaliation Israel has slaughtered MANY innocent people in civilian areas.

The Palestinians never got their land taken away. What happened was the British government promised Israel to the Jewish people and the Palestinians with two different treaties after Britain had left there early this century. They promised the country to both groups which is like giving two fat three year olds one cookie. It doens\'t work. The kids would be fighting for it and is the same reason the jews and Palestinians are fighting for it right now.

They\'ve never killed Civilians? A couple of months ago when the Iraeli army marched through Palestine land, and killed many people, and also beat up random people on the streets.

I said they never targeted civilians. NOT killed civilians. As opposed to the homicide bombers who ARE targeting civilians.

If you have read my replies, you would see, I HAVE condemned Israel of civilian killings (in fact, the simple fact that I stated this, doesn\'t that mean I acknowledge that Israel has killed civilians? :rolleyes: ). BUT, I also know that they were not targeted like the Palistinian homicide bombers. And the Palistinians are NOT getting the same anger that is towards Israel.

BTW, there are reports that, a few of those "deaths" are faked! Film crew, actors, etc. Shows how far the Palistinian extremist will go to win over support from the world against Israel.

Note, I did NOT say that all those killings (the ones on camera at least) were "faked". Obviously, they don\'t need to fake all the killings. But, for those that seem "too good" (cameraman was a the right place at the right time sort of deal), this could be why.