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Just a reminder of how Mr. Blix works!
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2003, 08:53:47 AM »
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November 1, 2002

Sending in a dupe to disarm Saddam

Per Ahlmark

The U.N. weapons inspection chief and Iraq have agreed on tentative terms for the conduct of weapons inspections, which in theory could begin as early as two weeks from now. But the success of any such deal depends as much on the men who will carry out the inspections as on the details of when, where, and how they are carried out.
Hans Blix will head the U.N. arms inspectors charged with searching for, finding and destroying Saddam Hussein\'s weapons of mass destruction. I have known Mr. Blix for more than 40 years. In 1960, he was my deputy when I was a leader of the Swedish Liberal Youth organization. Since then I have followed his career closely. He became Sweden\'s foreign minister for a year and was later a director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, Austria.
Personally, Mr. Blix is amiable and has a sense of humor; politically he is weak and easily fooled. I can think of few European officials less suitable for a showdown with Saddam. Indeed, it is with utter disbelief that I watch television news about Mr. Blix\'s negotiations with the Iraqi dictator\'s henchmen.
The world has been amply warned about Mr. Blix\'s weaknesses because he has a track record of compounded failure. When Mr. Blix headed the IAEA before the Persian Gulf war of 1991, he blithely assured the world, after several inspections, that nothing alarming was happening in Iraq. He delivered the clean bill of health that Saddam had hoped for when he began hiding his atomic factories and nuclear ambitions.
Since then, we have learnt all too unambiguously that Saddam is obsessed with procuring weapons of mass destruction — chemical and biological warheads as well as atomic bombs and the missiles to deliver them.
Former experts of Iraq\'s nuclear weapons program, who have fled Baghdad for the West, confirmed this. They told us about determined and costly efforts to obtain doomsday devices. Indeed, it is now clear that Saddam was but a year away from securing his first atomic bomb when the Gulf war broke out.
After that war, U.N. inspectors found and destroyed huge amounts of chemical and biological warheads as well as the facilities to produce nuclear weapons. Despite his grave failings as IAEA chief before 1991, Mr. Blix once again came to lead U.N. disarmament inspectors, this time in tandem with another Swede, Ambassador Rolf Ekeus.
Mr. Blix, naive and relatively ignorant about technical details — his field is international law — is easily mislead. Even after the Gulf war, he failed to realize that the Iraqi officials, who were again assuring the U.N. that they were hiding nothing, were but consummate liars. Indeed, Mr. Blix believed that Iraq had no program at all for nuclear arms. David Kay, perhaps the most effective arms inspector, insisted that he did not trust them. But Mr. Blix reproached Mr. Kay for his attitude. You must believe in official information, Mr. Blix implied.
The turning point came when Mr. Kay initiated inspections of suspect buildings without notifying the Iraqis about his intentions in advance. This new, aggressive inspection strategy had dramatic consequences: Mr. Kay discovered material confirming that Iraq was only 12 to 18 months away from producing a nuclear device.
This historic discovery ended up in a confrontation at a parking lot in Baghdad. The U.N. cars were surrounded by 200 Iraqi soldiers and a mob, ordered out to the scene by Iraqi officials. For four days and nights the siege continued, as Mr. Kay and his colleagues used satellite telephones to fax crucial documents to the West.
Mr. Blix had opposed the raid. Fortunately, Mr. Ekeus backed it and supported the inspectors during the siege. I have met a number of experts on Iraq\'s weapons of mass destruction, and they often compare the two Swedes: "Ekeus is brilliant," they say, "Blix is terrible."
When the current U.N. inspection team was being put together in 1999, both Mr. Ekeus and Mr. Blix were among the candidates being considered to head the new group of inspectors. Friends of Iraq in Paris and Moscow consulted Baghdad to see whom Saddam would prefer. France and Russia then suggested Mr. Blix. Surprisingly the Clinton administration accepted that decision.
Saddam\'s chemical and biological arms, and his determination to get nuclear weapons, are a threat to the world. The dictator could use these arms himself or make them available to terrorist organizations.
And the issue of war and peace depends on a man repeatedly duped the Iraqi regime.
The Bush administration probably understands Mr. Blix\'s weaknesses. My guess is that the United States will not allow Mr. Blix and the inspectors that he oversees to be deceived by Iraq again. Regardless of how this crisis develops from this point, the United Nations has neglected its duties by asking a wimp to lead the inspectors who are supposed to stand up to the brute of Baghdad.

Per Ahlmark is a former deputy prime minister of Sweden. Copyright Project Syndicate.

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Blix \'hid smoking gun\' from Britain and US
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2003, 08:55:37 AM »
How about this ooseven,

Saddam infuses terrorist organizations with money and weapons. Said terrorists use said weapons to kill us.

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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2003, 09:02:05 AM »
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OBL was in Afghanistan. But he touched us.


And ?

:confused:

look i would like someone to explain why people think OBL and Co... will run the risks of...

  • going to Iraq qith out being stopped by Patrolling US & UK forces or being shot by the Iraqi Border Patrol.
  • Then try to obtain WoMD from Saddam who has placed a Bounty on OBL head.
  • Run the risk of trying to strike a deal with Saddam to by any WoMD without being killed.
  • Then try and smuggle the WoMD out of iraq, and indoing so trying to avoid Iraqi Patrols in Iraq and US & UK forces once outside of iraq.
  • Then Try and smuggle the WoMD & Personel into the US, during a time when if you fart the wrong way the US admin boost the Terror aleart for a whole week.
  • Then select a traget and try carry out an attack with out being caught.


and Ace and Co still think they are a threat to the US......:rolleyes:
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2003, 09:03:24 AM »
This is why I don\'t discuss this anymore.  Those of us that think the war is justified will never understand the pacifist attitudes portrayed by those who don\'t.  I swear I think ooseven is Chamberlan reincarnated. ;)

Appeasement and containment are not the answers.
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2003, 09:04:47 AM »
The point is that Saddam CAN reach us - one way or another. Thay\'s why I brought up OBL! Damn, boy! Don\'t you see my point? Or are you just ignoring it? "Can\'t harm the US..."

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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2003, 09:05:28 AM »
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Originally posted by ooseven


And ?

:confused:

look i would like someone to explain why people think OBL and Co... will run the risks of...

  • going to Iraq qith out being stopped by Patrolling US & UK forces or being shot by the Iraqi Border Patrol.
  • Then try to obtain WoMD from Saddam who has placed a Bounty on OBL head.
  • Run the risk of trying to strike a deal with Saddam to by any WoMD without being killed.
  • Then try and smuggle the WoMD out of iraq, and indoing so trying to avoid Iraqi Patrols in Iraq and US & UK forces once outside of iraq.
  • Then Try and smuggle the WoMD & Personel into the US, during a time when if you fart the wrong way the US admin boost the Terror aleart for a whole week.
  • Then select a traget and try carry out an attack with out being caught.


and Ace and Co still think they are a threat to the US......:rolleyes: [/B]


Bounty on Bin Ladens head????? Where did you get that rumor from?

Oh and Osama and Company have attacked US troops already in Kuwait.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2003, 09:06:05 AM »
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Appeasement and containment are not the answers.


Nor will the "lets Wave a Blow torch next to this open barrel of Petrol" Approch that Bush and Co wants.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2003, 09:08:23 AM »
Per Ahlmark also says that everyone who criticises Isreal is a anti-Semite.

Per is a angry old deluded man.
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2003, 09:08:30 AM »
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Bounty on Bin Ladens head????? Where did you get that rumor from?

Oh and Osama and Company have attacked US troops already in Kuwait.


its common knowlage over there that OBL and Saddam have "bountys" on each others heads...

in fact if you know your history.

during the First Gulff War OBL wanted to travel to Saudi Arbia to muster a force to repell the Iraqi invasion.

in short

OBL wants to see Saddam Dead
Saddam wants to see OBL Dead
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2003, 09:10:25 AM »
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its common knowlage over there that OBL and Saddam have "bountys" on each others heads...

in fact if you know your history.

during the First Gulff War OBL wanted to travel to Saudi Arbia to muster a force to repell the Iraqi invasion.

in short

OBL wants to see Saddam Dead
Saddam wants to see OBL Dead


I want to see a source on this so called bounty.  Even IF there was one, I doubt it is still in effect.
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2003, 09:14:04 AM »
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The point is that Saddam CAN reach us - one way or another. Thay\'s why I brought up OBL! Damn, boy! Don\'t you see my point? Or are you just ignoring it? "Can\'t harm the US..."

dillussional.


but How ?

how is it logistically possible to arm any terrorists when we have a massive (even before the current build-up) monitoring the Iraqi’s EVERY move?

this containment includes

two no fly-zones
Satellite and on the ground intelligence  
a naval task force in the Gulf
and a string of UN (now filled with US & UK Troops) along the demilitarised  Zone.


Please.. i might be a little slow so why don\'t you outline how this could happen.

heck draw a map if need be.....:confused:
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2003, 09:17:02 AM »
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Originally posted by ooseven


but How ?

how is it logistically possible to arm any terrorists when we have a massive (even before the current build-up) monitoring the Iraqi’s EVERY move?

this containment includes

two no fly-zones
Satellite and on the ground intelligence  
a naval task force in the Gulf
and a string of UN (now filled with US & UK Troops) along the demilitarised  Zone.


Please.. i might be a little slow so why don\'t you outline how this could happen.

heck draw a map if need be.....:confused:


This is very simple ooseven.  Through Jordan or Iran.  Both of which buffer Iraq where there is not a "no fly zone".  It is very easy to smuggle weapons out of countries like this.
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2003, 09:19:53 AM »
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That might be true, but he has been dead on when it comes to Blix.


Yes, he\'s dead on if he said Blix wont bend over.
Boy did Blix ever give Powell a smack in the face :D

Ahlmark has no credibility. He\'s a "en betald penna" (writes whatever his masters want him to write).
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2003, 09:21:19 AM »
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I want to see a source on this so called bounty.  Even IF there was one, I doubt it is still in effect.


I doubt it is still in effect. ???....look

Both men have actually tried to kill each other over the years...

you couldn\'t get a bigger division of Ideas and fundamental values between the two men

OBL = Ultra Hard-line Islamic Fundamentalist who wants to see the downfall of the west and the creation of a islamic super state... he also wants the downfall of Saddam and the rise of a Taliban style Iraqi goverment.

Saddam = Evil manipulative B@stard tyrant with “personal” (as in he likes to actually personally torture prisoners) human right abuses as long as your arm....He also want  something special for iraq.. but his view is not a islamic super state... but for him to dominate the Middle east...
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2003, 09:25:19 AM »
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This is very simple ooseven.  Through Jordan or Iran.  Both of which buffer Iraq where there is not a "no fly zone".  It is very easy to smuggle weapons out of countries like this.


Through Jordan.. who\'s Goverment might bring it into the "axis of Evil" or at least make it an Associate of the "Axis of Evil"...

lets face it when it comes to all things Saddam... the goverment of Jordan will do all in their power and then some not to make it onto the USA\'s SH!t list...

and As for IRAN .....

:laughing: nice one....

sorry but please try and remember there was a long and bloody war between Iran/ Iraq.....
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