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Offline ooseven
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2003, 07:44:03 AM »
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Contributed poorly?  Heh..  That doesn\'t even deserve a comment.  Well, I\'ll give one comment.

Not a single country in the world puts out more funds to foreign countries than we do.  I\'d be willing to bet that we put out more funds than all the European countries combined.


yeah... if the US admin thought it would be WORTH it though ;)

which is far enough... the US Admin has always viewed the UN as something thats "useless".

note the word useless is used for want of a better word.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2003, 08:08:13 AM »
A better word than useless?  I can\'t think of one either.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2003, 08:13:56 AM »
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A better word than useless?  I can\'t think of one either.


oh how about

Useless
Futile
Hopeless
Fruitless
Profitless
Vain
Racer
Ineffectual
Purposeless
Unavailing
Unusable
Obsolete
Bankrupt
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2003, 08:43:18 AM »
The thread should read : USA unsupported

Play of words.

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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2003, 09:07:57 AM »
ooseven - just to prove how useless the UN is... the UN DID NOT agree on any resolutions to halt the genocide that was going on in Kosovo or even try and help the situation.  The US took it to NATO to find a solution.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2003, 01:11:45 PM »
As soon as the UN doesn\'t agree with us, it\'s seen as useless...

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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2003, 01:16:14 PM »
The UN is not enforcing it\'s own rules.  That is why it is useless.  

Saddam has gone against 18 resolutions.  That is useless.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2003, 01:20:45 PM »
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The UN is not enforcing it\'s own rules.  That is why it is useless.  

Saddam has gone against 18 resolutions.  That is useless.


what a whole 18 resolutions.. whaooo thats more than Israel then ;)

j/k

if i remember rightly but someone can go and check they are in breach of 8 resolutions.

but thats notthe issue.

Iraq has a Appalling human rights record … closely followed by S Arabia and then Turkey .
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2003, 03:16:53 PM »
The UN, which is supposed to be the World Police (not the US) also FAILED to stop the genicide in Rwanda before tragedy hit. If they can\'t even stop this, what good is the UN?

BTW, where IS the UN? South Africa? No. Germany? No. Japan? No. Maybe...France? Nope. The UN is, in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! New York City to be exact, with that nice big building over there. Why? We GIVE the most to the UN despite all the whiners say about us. Which, is the source of probably the MOST anti-American rheteric from all these 3rd World diplomats even though they are, themselves in America and enjoy at all the fine restuarants in New York. Distant second when it comes to funding the UN, is Japan. Which are not even on perminent seats like the security consuel and so forth. In fact, Japan is comteplating reducing their amount since they are not getting the same treatment as nations that pay far less (like...France).

And continue how useless the UN is, who is the current head of the Human Rights Commission on the UN? Lybia. That "shining star" of Human Rights. Also on the commission, Syria, Sudan, Zimbabwe, China :rolleyes:, Cuba, just to name a few of the "great examples of Human Rights" that are on the Human Rights commission. Heck, for a time, the US was KICKED OFF the Human Rights commission. So useless? I think so.
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2003, 04:43:25 PM »
Well Simchoy hit on just about everything.  If the UN doesn\'t enforce its own resolutions, the US should just pull out.  I have been saying this for months and I am sure there are those who sit on my side of the aisle who don\'t agree, but the UN is a bottomless money pit that has no spine to do anything that might "upset" another member.
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2003, 05:07:42 PM »
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what a whole 18 resolutions.. whaooo thats more than Israel then ;)

j/k

if i remember rightly but someone can go and check they are in breach of 8 resolutions.

but thats notthe issue.

Iraq has a Appalling human rights record … closely followed by S Arabia and then Turkey .


Hmmm, Rush said 18 this afternoon.  I\'ll have to give that a looksy.

But then again, "8 is enough"
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2003, 07:59:37 PM »
Not the issue?

I\'d say thats the whole freakin\' point...

Thats 8 broken resolutions too many...
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2003, 01:31:17 AM »
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Not the issue?

I\'d say thats the whole freakin\' point...

Thats 8 broken resolutions too many...


If i was in the US Admin i would be more inclined to be pi$$ed off at Turkeys and S Arabia  human rights Violations.

But Israel should of (and should still) be taken to task over the broken resolutions by the International Community.
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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2003, 01:52:46 AM »
Well, Turkey is a Democracy. Doesn\'t mean that their human rights abuses should be ignored because of that of coarse, and they should be condemned (which they are not...hmmmmm) but at least the oppressed can do something about it (in theory). Saudi Arabia, our "good" friends the Saudis! :rolleyes: Many conservatives (didn\'t say Republicans, conservative), heck, even liberals (didn\'t say Democrats either. Which, even those who speak out against them, only because they are against Bush) here don\'t see the Saudis as the great friends that they were during the First Gulf War for good reasons. There is a move in this nation to no longer see them as allies. But, in the mean time, we have to deal with them when concerning Iraq.

Which BTW, while improving human rights in Iraq might be the effect, it isn\'t the reason we are going in (even if you are a Bush basher and say this is a "war about oil", well that isn\'t about human rights now is it?).

As for Israel and the broken resolutions...

The many resolutions against Israel (at least 175 of them!), are all condemnation against their attacks in "Palistinians" areas and other Arab land that Israel annex for security reason. While I am NOT saying that every action Israel takes is the right action, many of those actions that were "condemned" by the UN were in responds to the suicide homicide bombers that killed many Israelis. Where are the resolutions against the Palistinians?

"Well, its because Palistinians don\'t have a nation".

One of the reasons why the Palistinians don\'t have a nation is because of all those suicide bombers. Now, you can argue that the PLO doesn\'t have the power. But their "condemnation" of the attacks against Israel are CLEARLY not as strong as the condamnation the world community gives Israel when Isreal kills one innocent boy.

And even then, even if all 175+ resolutions were justified, why does Israel have 175 resolutions against them while other nations (Rwanda, Lebanon, China, Libya, Afghanistan during the Taiban days, Sudan, Zimbabwe now, Syria, heck, even Iraq doesn\'t have that many resolutions) don\'t have even half that many? Double standard? :rolleyes:

More reasons why the UN is irellevent.
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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2003, 04:11:06 AM »
Okay if the UN is irellivent, why are we pushing for a war because Iraq broke a UN resolution?
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