rant about the presedency during this time of crisis.

Im taking this from somewhere else b/c it does make sense and raises some good points.

First and foremost, because of my views I don\'t consider myself anyless of an american. In fact, I consider myself MORE of an american.

People say that no matter what, the president should be shown a level and respect that\'s due to the position of being President, and that we shouldn\'t bad mouth and question what he is doing. But one of the beautiful things about this country is that at all times we SHOULD question the actions of the president! After all, he\'s OUR employee! We as tax payers and voters are his boss! He is supposed to answer to US! And for the simple fact that he is now putting the lives of american\'s fathers, mothers, brothers, and sisters on the line, not only should we question him, but we should also be heard! If you\'d take a closer look at this situation, the ones who are screaming that we should respect the president are the one who seemed to have no respect for Clinton during the Monica Lewinski scandal. Yeah, he cheated on his wife, but how does that affect the country? Does him shooting a load down some interns throat cut funding to Social Security? Does it raise taxes? NO! But for it, he had an intire country against him. An entire senate commitee was created just to see if he busted a nut with someone other than his wife! But through all this, President Clinton was shown no respect for being the president.

So when people (I\'m not naming names) say that you should have respect for the president and be happy with what he does, gi bacj to College and take some political sciences 101 and read up on history and find out what this country was started for!

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else." -Theodore Roosevelt

[SirMystiq]

Tha\'t right.

If we as citizens are supposed to respect and obey everything the President does no matter what, isn\'t that what Hussain is doing?!

First of all Clinton got screwed (I could have used a better word) because he lied under oath. There were also so many other potential scandals floating around Clinton that you know that there was more than meets the eye.

The Scandals:
Whitewater
Cattlegate
Nannygate
Helicoptergate
Travelgate
Gennifer Flowersgate
Filegate
Vince Fostergate
I wonder where those Whitewater billing records came fromgate
Paula Jonesgate
Federal Building campaign phone callgate
Lincoln bedroomgate
White House coffeegate
Donations from convicted drug and weapons dealersgate
Buddhist Templegate
Web Hubbell hush moneygate
Lippogate
Chinese commiegate - Clinton was practically endorsed by red China  Update!
Let\'s blame Kenneth Starrgate
Zippergate/interngate - the Lewinsky affair itself
Perjury and jobs for Lewinskygate - the aftermath
Willeygate
Web Hubbell prison phone callgate
Selling Military Technology to the Chinese Commiesgate
Coverup for our Russian Comrades as Wellgate
Wag-the-Dog-gate
Jaunita Broaddrick gate
PBS-gate
Email-gate
Vandalgate  
Pardongate

Ace

[SirMystiq]

HEY!

Scandals and secrets is what this country is made of. Don\'t even disagree.

Who killed Kennedy?
For what reasons?


Nobody knows.....

I\'m looking out for black helicopters as I type this.

Ace

[Titan]

Never knew about all those scandals. I only knew about a couple. One being watergate and one being the one during the Reagan administration with the hostages in Iran.

Its always a republican to bring the Clinton aspect into a thread it is not about.

[Titan]

I\'m not part of any party. I\'m usually more for the independant party. We should do away with the party system. Too much curruption.

Clinton was brought up in the original post. Questioning the president about war and Clinton and his only fault being a pig. I wanted to point out it was much more than a BJ in the Oval office, a place where most presidents show great respect.

Plus, I knew it would tweak you.

Ace

[videoholic]

Luckee, your point about bad mouthing the president is what makes america great.  No one is saying people shouldn\'t voice their opinions about the war.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now that we have chosen to go to war, to not stand up for the people fighting for your country is horrible.  What\'s going on in San Fransisco is emberassing and I\'m glad they are giving it light coverage on the news.  Screw those tree huggers.  Support our friggen troops.

Originally posted by videoholic
Luckee, your point about bad mouthing the president is what makes america great.  No one is saying people shouldn\'t voice their opinions about the war.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now that we have chosen to go to war, to not stand up for the people fighting for your country is horrible.  What\'s going on in San Fransisco is emberassing and I\'m glad they are giving it light coverage on the news.  Screw those tree huggers.  Support our friggen troops.

I\'m fairly middle of the road when it comes to war, I don\'t support this one the way things stand at the moment but that\'s not to say I wouldn\'t have supported it in the future, I feel not every avenue was explored before doing the simplest thing, drop bombs. What you lot that are blind supporters of the US fail to understand is that they feel just as strongly as you BUT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, they can\'t support the troops because it\'s not how they feel.

You won\'t be persuaded, neither will they, so you may as well accept it.

I don\'t support the war, I just wish them safety as to die for this would be the ultimate insult. My condolences, go out to the wives and families of the four US and eight UK soldiers killed in the helicopter crash and I hope this is the worst incident involving allied forces that we see.

[videoholic]

I just hate people who are aginast the war who have purely ignorant reasons like that i\'s for Oil. Or that he hasn\'t done anything lately.

The argument that he hasn\'t done anything lately is perfectly valid, if they attacked straight after one of these acts of violence against his own people then I wouldn\'t complain. It\'s the sheer randomness of the war now, at this point that bothers me. You can\'t just hold grudges in modern politics, it has no place.

[videoholic]

Why in God\'s name do we need to wait until more of our people are killed to fight against this man.

He has biological and chemical weapons.  

He is known to give money for suicide bombers.

He is known to gas his own people and there is absolutely no reason to believe he wouldn\'t use the gas against the US.

He obviously has lied about everything since they have dispersed chemical weapons to his military, he has launched SCUDS, has has lit over 30 oil fields on fire.  ALL of which he said he didn\'t have or wouldn\'t do.

This guy needs to be dealt with and I think we are going about it the right way.

Hopefully we won\'t lose any more men in the fight.  

It seems that helicopters go down every fight we are in.  I use to love flying in them.  I have hundreds of hours, but man, out in the desert with all the wind and sand that\'s just not the way I\'d like to travel.

Originally posted by videoholic
Why in God\'s name do we need to wait until more of our people are killed to fight against this man.

1)He has biological and chemical weapons.

2)He is known to give money for suicide bombers.

3)He is known to gas his own people and there is absolutely no reason to believe he wouldn\'t use the gas against the US.

He obviously has lied about everything since they have dispersed chemical weapons to his military, he has launched SCUDS, has has lit over 30 oil fields on fire.  ALL of which he said he didn\'t have or wouldn\'t do.

This guy needs to be dealt with and I think we are going about it the right way.

Hopefully we won\'t lose any more men in the fight.  

It seems that helicopters go down every fight we are in.  I use to love flying in them.  I have hundreds of hours, but man, out in the desert with all the wind and sand that\'s just not the way I\'d like to travel.

1) Unfortunately the inspectors were not allowed to finish their job so we can\'t prove that one.

2) So do many countries. The IRA spent years fundraising from normal people in the US. The money was turned into C4 and for 30 years killed and maimed UK citizens. Does that mean we should attack you? Like f*ck it does. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm

3) The only reason he\'ll gas US troops is because they are going to kill him. In non-war times he wouldn\'t dare, now he may do.