You can not call the hassle in Iraq a War...

Disregarding my personal opinion as stupid, irrelevant and unreadable does signal ignorant behaviour. I might be jaded - aka disinformed - but it is not my fault. America\'s current military presence in Iraq serves no purpose ( read: I agree to what Living said ) and has no clear reason we, the europeans, could relate to. Saddam might have broken treaties - but if you only take into consideration the current choices the Bush administration has made - on it\'s own - the picture clearly reveals that Bush has not listened to advices nor recommendations either.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Here\'s a thought. Why the hell should we care what goes on with Iraqi people? Why do we have to be big brother? I\'ll be honest. I know I don\'t care how the Iraqi people are living and being treated by their goverment. It makes no difference to me if they are being slaughtered or if they are living peaceful.

Harsh? Yes. But I see no reason for us to be over there, tryin\' to get rid of these regime and "free IRAQ", when we have more problems at home that need to be taken care of. We shouldn\'t have to pay for a stupid war, for another country can be "free".

With that said - I don\'t believe this war is about freeing Iraqi people, oil or any of that. I belive it is about Bush, being in a pissing contest . Not to mention it is a nice distraction on his Osama Bin Laden "war" that he never fully delivered on .

With minor exception..here here!!!!!!!

Thats another thing I havent brought up yet in any war discussion. The cost of this war. Look how much good that could have done for our own citizens.

Saddam has been doing these types of things since he was 11 years old. He has been ruling Iraq for a great time now, but only in 12 years is he a problem.

I smell something.....

This may sound a bit naive, but f*ck it, who wouldn\'t mind the price of gas for under a dollar??? Now don\'t lie answer truthfully!!!

hmm, in no way shape or form does saddam control the price of gas, lol

try OPEC

[Jumpman]

MAKE ME.

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LIC and luckee, money will never solve the social (ie. education, class imbalance, etc.) problems in this country and to think that using the money we are spending on this war on problems such as those would actually pay off is quite naive.  

That is the typical liberal view, keep throwing money into it and it will correct itself...  :rolleyes:

[Living-In-Clip]

Call it what you want, but my view is simple. I don\'t think we need or have the right to play big brother and race to rescue anyone. It isn\'t our job and we, the people shouldn\'t have to pay for sh!t wars like this. Instead, money should go to education, helping homeless. Anything , as long as it is for OUR country.

F**k Iraq. It pisses me off, that we American\'s work and pay taxes, to pay for a war, to free Iraqi people. Espically when I could care less what happens in Iraq.

Originally posted by mm
"it\'s only when we\'ve lost everything, we can do anything"

shameless plug*

ohhh eye.... did you think you could slip that in here without anyone notice\'n

/me shakes fist at mm for the shamless (FIGHT CLUB) Quote .

[Jumpman]

Originally posted by mm
hmm, in no way shape or form does saddam control the price of gas, lol

try OPEC

You try it.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
LIC and luckee, money will never solve the social (ie. education, class imbalance, etc.) problems in this country and to think that using the money we are spending on this war on problems such as those would actually pay off is quite naive.  

That is the typical liberal view, keep throwing money into it and it will correct itself...  :rolleyes:

So 80billion wont help fill under-staffed schools? It wont buy text books or enough desks for all of their students? I am fully aware that the shitty public education in many cities goes beyond simply money..but it certainly wouldnt hurt would it?

Fine..you wanna argue about education. What about  health care? Health care in the US is a joke..one of the only things I like about Canada since they managed to get it right.

Originally posted by luckee



So 80billion wont help fill under-staffed schools? It wont buy text books or enough desks for all of their students? I am fully aware that the shitty public education in many cities goes beyond simply money..but it certainly wouldnt hurt would it?

Fine..you wanna argue about education. What about  health care? Health care in the US is a joke..one of the only things I like about Canada since they managed to get it right.

Sounds like you want free health care... anyway, I don\'t have a problem with the health care here - that is what health insurance is for.

So, just because of the family someone is born into, they should die from a disease another person born into a different family would be saved from?

I wasn\'t born into my situation, I work therefore I have health insurance.  Why should somebody get free healthcare when the majority of America has to pay for it?  Last time I was in the emergency room there were quite a few indigents receiving care... I am not opposed to them getting care, but those of us who pay should have priority.

Some people born into poor familys do get a good education, but many do not. It is hard for these people to afford such health care, and they are also more vulnarable to disease in some cases, I do not think that Helath Care should be a comodity for the middle and upper classes.