You can not call the hassle in Iraq a War...

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Some people born into poor familys do get a good education, but many do not. It is hard for these people to afford such health care, and they are also more vulnarable to disease in some cases, I do not think that Helath Care should be a comodity for the middle and upper classes.

Then move to Canada. :rolleyes:

[Living-In-Clip]

It just amazes me that you people are so gung-ho about Iraq and freeing those oh so tortured people, when this country needs a lot of work and we have MORE THAN OUR SHARE of people that need helped by our goverment. Yet they are ignored.

What people?  The homeless (most of whom don\'t want to work)?  Also our government isn\'t a socialist one meaning it is not the governments responsiblility to give handouts - even though they do in the form of welfare.  If you and others love socialism so much move to another country.  The Netherlands comes to mind... they give money to anyone who can think up a disability.

Yeah, i like the netherlands actualy.

And you try being homeless and getting a job, really.

I would back up my statement with fact (there was recently a study done on the poor/homeless that suggested a large part of their situation was brought about by themselves), but I don\'t have the time to search for it.  In any case, the US is not a welfare state.  Regardless of your dreams of a socialist utopia, you need to come back to reality.  Most of those on welfare now have no motivation to start working because they get money for doing nothing.  I am sorry if you can\'t understand the principles of our society and that success for the most part is up to the individual.  That is not to say some have distinct advantages over others, but for the most part (I hate this cliche) life is what you make it.

I personally think;

Bush is trying to threebirds with one stone.

1)Get rid of Saddam and his tyranny, for the world, and his fathers sake.
2)Oil
3)More power....

The only thing I dont like about the US. Even though I am a huge patriot, and love my country dearly- its just that, well, we are power hungry, and we must call ourselves the "world police". Isnt that the U.N.\'s job? Well thats what I thought it was.

My 2cents.....

[Living-In-Clip]

Yea, the homeless "don\'t want to work". Right. I\'ll agree some don\'t, but other\'s are born in bad situations. And like Hamster said, try gettin\' a job and being homeless. See how much luck you get.
 
Free Iraq! F**k our own people!
That is what the goverment is saying.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yea, the homeless "don\'t want to work". Right. I\'ll agree some don\'t, but other\'s are born in bad situations. And like Hamster said, try gettin\' a job and being homeless. See how much luck you get.
 
Free Iraq! F**k our own people!
That is what the goverment is saying.

Everyone has a chance to make what they will of themselves and to expect the government to help those that are down on their luck is idiotic.  As I said, the US is not a socialist country, what is so hard to understand about that?  It seems like a few of you are living in the wrong country if you expect free health care and hand outs.

I dont expect much free from the government as I am capable of paying for what I need.

However..not everyone is lucky enough to be in the same situation.

Many jobs do not give their employees health care benefits. Some of these same employees have families to support and cannot afford getting the insurance themselves. Why should they be shut out.

The excuses you give about helping our own is the same basis I have seen you argue(among others in here) about *helping* the ppl of Iraq.

Well, we may not be a socialist country now, but things change sometime. I think this country is in need of desperate changes right now, and hopefully, we will see some changes soon.

Originally posted by luckee
I dont expect much free from the government as I am capable of paying for what I need.

However..not everyone is lucky enough to be in the same situation.

Many jobs do not give their employees health care benefits. Some of these same employees have families to support and cannot afford getting the insurance themselves. Why should they be shut out.

The excuses you give about helping our own is the same basis I have seen you argue(among others in here) about *helping* the ppl of Iraq.

Please point out where I have said the number 1 priority in my view has been to help the Iraqi people out.  My main reason for my pro war stance is that Saddam has violated numerous UN Resolutions.

I never said it was your number one priority. But I have seen you and others argue the help angle many times.

Even so it is not my number one reason.  Yes it is a reason, but all the same, money does not solve the answers for most of the social problems in this country.

And like I said..80billion into education..police..fire dept...health care certainly wouldnt hurt a damn thing.

The last thing I am going to say on this topic is... how much of that money do you really think would actually make it into the system?  In any event its a pipe dream to think we could have just used that money for social programs.