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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2003, 04:25:10 AM »
WHo is "they"????  Most of the people want us there.  Most of the people are happy that we are doing something about their country.  It\'s just the vocal few with friggen guns and bombs that get heard.:banghead:


And no they can\'t help themselves.  They tried that and thousands upon thousands were killed for trying.
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2003, 04:25:10 AM »
WHo is "they"????  Most of the people want us there.  Most of the people are happy that we are doing something about their country.  It\'s just the vocal few with friggen guns and bombs that get heard.:banghead:


And no they can\'t help themselves.  They tried that and thousands upon thousands were killed for trying.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2003, 05:51:50 AM »
With all the desire to question the government along with the  arm chair politicians we have here, I sort of wish this country had a dictatorship.  Personally I could care less about the living conditions of Iraqi\'s, people in the UK or the rest of the world for that matter.  

Call me selfish, ignorant, whatever... all that matters to me is the safety of the US and all those that reside in this country.  Destroying Saddams regime was in the best interest of THIS country.  It has nothing to do with being patriotic, rather it is self preservation in a sense.  9/11 was reason enough to go after Iraq and I still find it reason enough to go after Iran and N. Korea.  

This global idea of a utopian society is a farce.  In our lifetimes we will never see a world without war, famine, genocide, etc...  One question I have for those that say other countries were more deserving of liberation than Iraq... name them and describe the reason as to why it would be in the United States best interest to do so.  As much as some would like to believe that the US is the well of plenty and should help all underdeveloped nations, I totally disagree.  Unless it servers our interest, to hell with them.

In some respects I agree with those that say we have problems here we should address, but at the same time we should also deal with external threats whether it be through preemptive means or just keeping a watchful eye.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2003, 05:58:14 AM »
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Call me selfish, ignorant, whatever... all that matters to me is the safety of the US and all those that reside in this country.  Destroying Saddams regime was in the best interest of THIS country.  It has nothing to do with being patriotic, rather it is self preservation in a sense.  9/11 was reason enough to go after Iraq and I still find it reason enough to go after Iran and N. Korea.



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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2003, 06:07:36 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2003, 06:20:27 AM »
I hate to be the one to break it to you but, you\'re nuts.

I won\'t even outline my reasons, we had enough arguments about it whilst the blinding power of American sunlight stormed Iraq and blew everything up!

I just think you need to get with the real world, it\'s not a nice place, never will be, but that doesn\'t mean you can just re-shape it to your liking.
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2003, 06:28:40 AM »
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I hate to be the one to break it to you but, you\'re nuts.

I won\'t even outline my reasons, we had enough arguments about it whilst the blinding power of American sunlight stormed Iraq and blew everything up!

I just think you need to get with the real world, it\'s not a nice place, never will be, but that doesn\'t mean you can just re-shape it to your liking.


How ironic... from my perspective you are not living in the real world.  My question is why do you care about a war that has already happened and hasn\'t affected you in a negative way at all?  Are you saying Saddam and his regime were not a threat or a future threat to Western society (not to mention Iraqs neighbors)?  The policy of appeasement doesn\'t work and citizens in the UK should know this most of all.
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2003, 06:35:19 AM »
Saddam wasn\'t a threat, he was contained until we could clean him out of any non-existent WMD.

I care now because I\'m sick of the powers that be taking us voters to be stupid, it seem like we only matter around election time. We WILL matter around election time next go round.

He wasn\'t a threat to his neighbours until we gave him reason, then he threw over a few decade old missiles before doing what we all knew he\'d do, disappear underground as harmless as a baby, like he was when we knew where he was.

You\'ll come back at me with the humanitarian thing, but why wasn\'t somthing done in \'96 (I think it was \'96 the last horror of his).

This argument will run and run, the only thing that will satisfy me will be the end of GWB and Blairs careers and an investigation into the farce behind intelligence.
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2003, 06:41:55 AM »
Saddam wasn\'t a threat?  Tell that to Kuwait, Iran and Israel.

Sorry to break it to you Green, but voters like you won\'t matter... Radical leftists rarely matter in democratic elections.  

As for the humanitarian issue, no I won\'t even bring it up as I don\'t care, but since you bring up 1996 - ask Clinton, who most of the anti Bush people seem to idolize.

You are right about this argument, it will run and run, but the only outcome will be the continued whining from the anti US/anti Bush/Blair camp.
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2003, 07:00:04 AM »
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So far in a poll on the BBC news website this is how it\'s going,

VOTE RESULTS

WMD evidence: Time for an independent inquiry?

Yes
 87%

No
 13%

21084 Votes Cast

Link - http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/default.stm?displayresult=1&subject=141671&profile=iraq&category=news&ref=%2F1%2Fhi%2Ftalking_point%2Fdefault.stm&choice=1

I think we can matter, we just need a poll like this on the other aspects of this whole sorry mess.

I\'ll pass the baton to someone who thinks this argument is worthwhile. We can do nothing but wait for the outcome and may as well hold our opinions back.

Edit: If you feel like voting you\'ll need to go to the front page and select \'Have your say\', it should be in the same place but with tick-boxes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

Actually, no you don\'t, I\'ve just spotted that they\'ve moved it to the front page.
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2003, 12:31:51 PM »
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Saddam wasn\'t a threat?  Tell that to Kuwait, Iran and Israel.

Sorry to break it to you Green, but voters like you won\'t matter... Radical leftists rarely matter in democratic elections.  

As for the humanitarian issue, no I won\'t even bring it up as I don\'t care, but since you bring up 1996 - ask Clinton, who most of the anti Bush people seem to idolize.

You are right about this argument, it will run and run, but the only outcome will be the continued whining from the anti US/anti Bush/Blair camp.


Didn\'t you say that the reason for this war was for the US OWN interest, and the hell with the rest? So, in other words if this war was to get rid of the threat to Iran, Kuwait, and Israel. Which of course you said they didn\'t matter. Why do they matter? What are we going to get from them? Money, power, oil....?

So this war was fought just b/c it was to our best interest? For 9/11? But Kuwait, Iran, and Israel had nothing to do with 9/11 and they didn\'t help at all. So why did we help them? Was it really for 9/11 that this war was fought?

Anyways, it\'s funny how people change huh? I said it once already but like we all know, 9/11 was no excuse for this war. They focused on the WMD issue. They forged that into our heads and the rest of the world. The 9/11 war was fought in Afghanistan. As I recall Laden was never captured, killed, or anything. How can this war in Iraq be to get rid of terrorism when the first war to ger rid of the terrorist that caused all this mess isn\'t over?
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2003, 01:33:05 PM »
Who cares about an inquiry?  Why shouldn\'t they have one?  Nothing has turned up yet so why not start one?  That doesn\'t tell me a darn thing.

Nevermind.  These threads are useless.
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2003, 01:38:54 PM »
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Come on. They never begged us to go over there in the first place.



that\'s because they couldn\'t...

Why are people still debating about this. What came out of the war? A country freed from a guy with a golden shitter. He imprisoned children because they wouldn\'t join his politcal party, come on.


But I agree we should pull out of Iraq, see how things turn out too.
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2003, 05:32:07 PM »
Months before the war strarted I talked with my father about it,  being the wise man he is (and a war veteran) he said if they go in there they would lose 1 man a day.  So far his words are correct.  Hopefully it wont get as bad as Vietnam where they lost 50 a day

Tell me,  do you feel safer?

You freed the Iraq people?  Only to let them be ruled by Religious extremists?  To live in a lawless city?  To have all thier belongings looted?  To have friends or family killed?
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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2003, 05:45:29 PM »
Give me a break. They are not free. They are just under a new oppression. One lead by the US goverment.
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