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U.S. changes reason for invading Iraq
« on: July 10, 2003, 09:33:43 AM »
The U.S. administration has abruptly revised its explanation for invading Iraq, as Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld asserted that a changed perspective after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks — not fresh evidence of banned weapons — provoked the war.

"The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq\'s pursuit of weapons of mass murder," Mr. Rumsfeld testified yesterday before the Senate armed services committee.

"We acted because we saw the evidence in a dramatic new light, through the prism of our experience on 9/11."

It was an about-face from a man who confidently proclaimed in January: "There\'s no doubt in my mind but that they [the Iraqi government] currently have chemical and biological weapons." (He was seconded in March by Vice-President Dick Cheney, who said of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein: "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.")

And in London Thursday, the BBC reported senior British government sources saying that Whitehall had virtually ruled out finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which they now believe were destroyed or hidden permanently before the war began.


Mr. Rumsfeld\'s reversal came as the administration scrambled to defend itself from accusations that it deliberately used false or misleading information to bolster one of its primary justifications for the war.

On Monday, the White House acknowledged that U.S. President George W. Bush was wrong when he said in his State of the Union address in January that Iraq had recently tried to purchase large quantities of uranium from Africa to build nuclear weapons. He cited British intelligence reports of documents that purported to show an Iraqi attempt to buy a form of raw uranium known as yellowcake. The documents were later discredited as forgeries.

While the White House justified the invasion to topple Mr. Hussein on the ground that his biological, chemical and nuclear weapons posed a threat, no such arms have been uncovered in the 10 weeks since the war ended.

Mr. Bush unapologetically defended the war while in the middle of his five-day, visit to Africa.

"Saddam Hussein was a threat to world peace. And there\'s no doubt in my mind that the United States, along with allies and friends, did the right thing in removing him from power," he said yesterday at a joint news conference with South African President Thabo Mbeki.

Questioned for the first time about the uranium, he said: "There\'s going to be a lot of attempts to rewrite history. But I am absolutely confident in the decision I made."

White House officials said information that the documents may have been forged had not reached top-level policymakers before the public statements.

Mr. Rumsfeld said he found out "within recent days" that the information had been discredited, but he defended the U.S. intelligence throughout the Iraq conflict as "quite good" and said Iraq "had 12 years to conceal" weapons programs. "Uncovering those programs will take time," he said.

Several Democrats heightened calls for a full-scale investigation on whether intelligence was manipulated.

"It\'s bad enough that such a glaring blunder became part of the President\'s case for war," Senator Edward Kennedy said. "It\'s far worse if the case for war was made by deliberate deception. ... We cannot risk American lives based on shoddy intelligence or outright lies."

With U.S. and British forces facing almost daily assaults, he and other senators grilled Mr. Rumsfeld on whether more troops were needed in Iraq.

Mr. Rumsfeld told the committee that talks were under way to increase NATO involvement in Iraq peacekeeping efforts. He maintained that most of Iraq is safe after the war, with most of the recent attacks against U.S. and British forces concentrated in Baghdad and surrounding areas.

Mr. Kennedy expressed skepticism, saying he was "concerned that we have the world\'s best-trained soldiers serving as policemen in what seems to be a shooting gallery."



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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2003, 10:43:27 AM »
I love the fact that Bush kept swearing that he had intelligence and proof that Saddam and his company was purchasing mass amounts of urmanium from Africa and now he turns about face and says it was a mistake, but that the is still sure that there are weapons of mass destruction.

In my opinion, this war was a whole blunder. They kept pushing that weapons of mass destruction would be found and yet none have been found. There is no smoking gun in Iraq and Bush knows this.

We lost American lives for nothing. Yeah, the Bush supporters will tell you that we went to liberate a country, but that is bullsh!t. There are many other countries that needed liberated before Iraq. Not to mention the idea of liberating Iraq did not come around until the American public realized that these so-called "weapons o mass destruction" may not be found.

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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2003, 11:06:41 AM »
THey are definitely backpedaling now.  I am all for what we did, but I really am annoyed by what has transpired since the war.  We have lost far more men since the war than during the war.

Every day I log on to MSNBC and it says two men dead.  Hard to know if it\'s the same or new story.  

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2003, 11:18:36 AM »
They are new stories. During the ten weeks since the war has ended we have came under more attack than while the war was goin\'. And what do we have to show for it? Nothing. No weapons of mass destruction. No Saddam. No order in Iraq. Nothing.

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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2003, 11:19:00 AM »
how about a big fat round of: I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!
(not to sound offensive or anything...)
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i hope they all get aids and die they should bnt tbbe having sezx with just anyone they should be in love if theay are foing to have sex not just to make money I htink its wrong for them to just have sexzx for the fun of it specially when some of the performancs are married, its just wrong. tey are givng out deaseases to anyone and its just not right i tell you i think its really really wrong specially when tey have sex i dot whach porno though so im not sure what they do i dont theink theyr realy hjave sex its all just pretendnig but you never no what they do its just wrong speciallly when they dont even love each other its wrong i ell you in tsi just wrong. wtings owting wtrong wtongs wtongs. i dont like it. prlease explaions.

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2003, 12:00:39 PM »
i would\'nt careless if the U.S  invaded iraq coz saddam wiped his ass the wrong way. the way i see it, saddam was always a threat and it was about time he was taken careoff.
one more thing i\'d like to add like L-I-C said
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During the ten weeks since the war has ended we have came under more attack than while the war was goin\'.


the reason for these attacks are to make the American soldiers leave iraq so i say why not listen to the iraqis demand and leave the country (ruined and all) let them kill each other and then when another ruthless regime takesover they\'ll come crawling back begging the U.S to rescue them.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2003, 12:06:53 PM »
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the reason for these attacks are to make the American soldiers leave iraq so i say why not listen to the iraqis demand and leave the country (ruined and all) let them kill each other and then when another ruthless regime takesover they\'ll come crawling back begging the U.S to rescue them.


that\'s exactly whty they\'re staying, if they\'d leave, all would be for nothing
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i hope they all get aids and die they should bnt tbbe having sezx with just anyone they should be in love if theay are foing to have sex not just to make money I htink its wrong for them to just have sexzx for the fun of it specially when some of the performancs are married, its just wrong. tey are givng out deaseases to anyone and its just not right i tell you i think its really really wrong specially when tey have sex i dot whach porno though so im not sure what they do i dont theink theyr realy hjave sex its all just pretendnig but you never no what they do its just wrong speciallly when they dont even love each other its wrong i ell you in tsi just wrong. wtings owting wtrong wtongs wtongs. i dont like it. prlease explaions.

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2003, 02:41:21 PM »
Come on. They never begged us to go over there in the first place.

And this whole  - let\'s not leave because the Iraqi\'s want us to. What the hell? It is their country. If they don\'t want us there, we shouldn\'t be there. I\'m sure if someone invaded us and destroyed our goverment, we wouldn\'t want them there.

I\'m surprised just how far Bush supporters will go to justify this war.

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2003, 04:59:01 PM »
I agree, if the Iraqi\'s don\'t want us there. They should make them leave, and if they decide to wipe each other out then let them be. It\'s their mistake, it\'s their country, it\'s their problem.

The only reason I see the soldiers are being kept there is just to emphacize that the US isn\'t going to abandon them as they did with Afghanistan. I shouln\'t say US, I should say Bush and his friends.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2003, 05:26:35 PM »
It says a lot that someone so close to the situation feels exactly the opposite of the people who are furthest away.

And plotiepet, tyrant was being sarcastic.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2003, 06:48:40 PM »
The troops are going to have to stay there for a long time. That was one of the things many opponents said about this war. The war itself was short but it takes a while to build stable country.

I didn\'t agree with going into Iraq in the first place but now that we are there it would be worse for us to just (grab our oil and) go.

Anyone that was against attacking Iraq "For the good of the Iraqi people" should know that having troops there is the best thing for them until a policing body and judicial system can be implemented. Even though they are REALLY taking their time getting these things in place.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2003, 09:05:20 PM »
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I\'m sure if someone invaded us and destroyed our goverment, we wouldn\'t want them there.


So your saying that you were ok with Saddam government right? A group that murders you and your family for wiping your ass the wrong way.  Ok then, how bout you move to a country like Iraq was and see the torchure and inhumane lifestyles these people had to suffer.  They didnt disserve that and what was done was very justified. So please dont b!tch about a war when it goes far beyond chemical weapons, it goes out to the cry\'s of the thousands of innocent people that were murdered under Saddams regime. It was the right thing to do, regardless if there are chemical weapons are not.  You sit in the comfort and security of your own home, but you havent had to live like these people...you havent had to see what they have seen. So damnt, if we have to destroy one government to build a better one then we should do it...it\'s for the good of Iraq and for the good of the human race.

Most of the country wants America there, and wants help restructruing the government. Why cant we leave? Well we cant face another tyrant taking over, simple as that.  Also, remember how Iraqis felt betrayed in the first Gulf War when American troops pulled out early...this is the same scenario, many in Iraq are real concerned that Saddam is still lingering around.  I\'d like just as much as you for the millitary to come back home but they just cant simply do that.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2003, 10:25:55 PM »
thing is we don\'t stay, we\'ll get bad mouthed for leaving too early, I just about had it with the Middle East it seems to be becoming or has been a big waste of time and man power for ignorant hard lined son\'s of b*tches who in the next 1000 years we\'d be lucky to change 2-3 of their descendents views. I hate the fact that our men our over there, I support the ideals we went over for, but in the same respect it all seems like a huge big waste of time no matter where we go, name me 1 place in the past 15 years we\'ve gone and helped out that has done good, or for that matter turned out good in our favor??? I can\'t think of any, or I am just too tired to try.

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2003, 12:14:23 AM »
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how about a big fat round of: I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!
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I\'ll second that.

(to sound offensive ;) )

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2003, 12:30:13 AM »
I think allied forces should pull out and forget about them.

We went into an un-justified war and killed more of our own than they did, finding nothing of importance along the way and they don\'t seem to want us there anyway, what a waste of time and $90b (or more) :rolleyes: .

Next time they want help in any way, f*ck the ungrateful sods, they\'ve got guns and seem to be able to help themselves.

 

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