Im back!! Lets talk time!!!

I agree with Bossieman.Religion and Science are studying the same thing.
The difference is that Religion follows the spiritual approach through enlightenment  while Science is following the experimenting and studying approach.The end result is that they are both searching for the same questions and find the same answers.They just interpret things differently but they say the same thing.
Religion is comprised from the latin words Re+Legere=again+merging which means merging with the universe once again.
The word Universe is from the latin words Uni+vertere=One+convert which means converting into one.


We realise God as a all mighty powerfull spirit that created everything.But God is everything.And everything has consiousness.Modern scientists like Henry Stappand and E.H Walker believed that photons might have consiousness.If you pass electricity through an object it responds in some way.
Religion and Science have connections.

Thats what I believe atleast.

Heres what I believe- since we seem to be stating it.

Bunch of bullshit! Im sure someone is going to try to argue with me :rolleyes:

what about if someone went back in time, and started ww2

ummm... ww2 is over koppy.

Originally posted by Spudz
Heres what I believe- since we seem to be stating it.

Bunch of bullshit! Im sure someone is going to try to argue with me :rolleyes:

Pffff you just suck.The end

Originally posted by kopking
what about if someone went back in time, and started ww2

I hope U wont feel insulted of my respons, that is really not the idea.

When U say someone goes back in time, what does that mean?
Do you mean that the person gets younger and younger=going back in time

Or do you mean that you put your self outside the universe and then turn back universe itself and then put your self back in the universe? If that id the case, I belive we need to change the question to the question about how to put your self outside universe, after that we continiue with the original question.

It is easy to say that someone goes back in time and start WWII, but its not easy to understand what the question really means.

when we talk about going back in time and the paradoxes that appears we talk about solving the paradox, but I belive the actually paradox appears earlier. We just say go back in time and then a paradox appears. But how do we know that there isnt a paradox inside the statement "go back in time" I belive there is a paradox there. (read my first post)

So before we can talk about your question, I belive we have to start with asking us self what does we mean with timetravel?
When we solve that paradox the otherone dissapears.

I don\'t think you can travel through time, I think things in the pas have happend, and can\'t be changed, things in the future are yet to happen, and cannot be visited....

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
I don\'t think you can travel through time, I think things in the pas have happend, and can\'t be changed

For you it I assume it is meaningless to discuss the problem of solving the paradox about what happens if you kill your own grandmother. For you the problem is in the statemeant of saying "go back in time".

That is exactly what I belive too. We have to disscus the problem earlier. We have to understand and talk about the very statement "go back in time".
If we choose not to we also accept that we can go back in time. And then the paradox appears.

Well, I do not think the past is a physical place, just memories etc, it is just the moment before the present.... So I just don\'t think it is physically possible to, as you said, change the universe itself.

Interesting Hamster.  I belive that time is not real, just a creation of human minds. It is just a word to describe changes. But IMO time is not a true reality. Universe itself doesnt know what time is. Without humans time would not exist as we are the inventors of time. But many people use the time as it was something real that is conected to universe itself.

I think time is real, time is the movement from one moment to the next. Time as in, clocks etc, measure that time. History records the past, so yeah, we did "Define" time. But it does exist, we just gave it a name.

[videoholic]

Originally posted by kopking
what about if someone went back in time, and started ww2

Why would you have to go back in time to start WWII when it was started just fine on its own?

Someone ban kopking for the heck of it. He probably wouldn\'t even notice.

[videoholic]

Maybe I\'ll go back in time and make him a sucker.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Bossieman
I have changed my opinion about religion totally the last year.
Before I can talk about religion I want to talk what religion is for me so you know what the word mean to me.

The word religion is for me a word that describes different ideas and beliefs about the world and the Universe. That means that physics is also a religion IMO. A belief that is supposed to describe and explain the world.

Since I have started my work on my theory, a lot of stuff comes out that is not science today, more philosophy and what most people say is religion. That has changed my view and understanding of what God is and what God means.

God is probably not the same thing for me as it is for U or anyone else. That doesnt mean I am more wrong or right than anyone else. Its all about a personal belief that is right for me.

If I take that and combine that with my other beliefs my view of God becomes something like this:

God is the ultimate understanding of the universe and everything within it.
A simplier way to understand this is to see God as a collection of minds that has reach the ultimate understanding. IMO life is about understanding and evolving your mind to understand and search for the ultimate understanding. IMO opinion it is not impossible to reach this level of understanding. My life is about the search and understanding of the universe. Hopefully I can come close to this.

Religion becomes different version of this search and understanding. IMO the bible is a guideline and a source of knowledge hidden in words to keep the knowlege intact in time.

Religion or anything else is not anymore a question of right or wrong for me. Something can be right for U but not for me. That doesnt mean I think u are wrong. U just see and understand things in a different way.

The same thing for God. Its a belief and the very word God can mean different things for different people but that does not mean that one is more right than someone else.

Hop I have answered your question.

Bossieman

Isn\'t that the Buddhist goal? To reach deep understanding "enlightment"?

Anyways I read Boss\'s first post and a few after but not all so excuse me if I repeat something someone already said...

IMO there is no such thing as time as we think of it. WE created time. Time to us is the little hands on the clock. That means nothing. We use time to talk about meetings, school, dates etc...But I think that Time is something more than that. Time is not "seconds" or "minutes" is the duration something takes to change. "It\'s the same thing" you say. No it\'s not. Nature doesn\'t have a stop watch to keep "time" when decaying something. It\'s something that just happens. When it hits that point. Like Boss said TIME is just a word used describe changes. The universe wasn\'t created over "time". It created when it wanted too....GRR nvm I can\'t explain it.

If someone did go back to the past. I don\'t think they would "know" that they went back to the past. Like Boss said...well hopefully he meant that we can\'t go back in time with our brain "knowing" that we did. If we go back to kill someone, when we get there, we are not going to "know" to kill that person. In fact we\'ll probably "know" there is nothing wrong. Like if we take a computer from now to 1966. That means everything that happened from that year forward actually never happened. That is until we hit the future..if there is such a thing..grr im confused again.

People have a real hard time explaining what they believe "choice" is. Especially the religious people(christians mostly). How can we have a choice if God already knows were going to make that choice. Now, i\'ve talked about this plenty of times with people but I still get no real response. If God knows what were going to do, since God is never wrong, then how can we have a choice?

I know thats out of nowhere but hey I was just wondering...