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« on: December 14, 2003, 08:26:52 PM »
Next March, Sony and Toshiba will start their trial runs of an advanced semiconductor manufacturing process that will eventually lead to the Cell microprocessor that is at the heart of the upcoming PS3s. Full production is on schedule for 2005, which looks to push the PS3\'s launch into 2006, as analysts are predicting.

According to gamesindustry.biz, Sony and Toshiba are currently working on a new 65nm technology for the Cell chip. To give some perspective on this, most companies in the industry are still coming to terms with the shift from 130nm technology to 90nm technology and the 65nm chip is a leap beyond that.

The drop in the nm(nanometer) measurement of the chip is important because the smaller the components that are used on the chip, the faster and less power-hungry they become. All of this leads to a more powerful Cell chip, which of course means even better looking games in your living room.

Toshiba is looking to have some sample chips for evaluation in March 2004 and is scheduled to ramp up to full production in the summer of 2005. This should be just in time to supply chips for a fresh batch of PS3s to launch in the end of 2005. Of course, Sony could easily push back their PS3 launch if any complications arise. To help make sure that everything happens on time, Sony is building its own fabrication plant to the tune of $6 billion.

Here at ign.com, we wish Sony the best in their technological endeavors and hope they hurry up and get us our PS3s. Check back later for more information on the upcoming system.

Article: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/445/445819p1.html

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2003, 06:06:48 PM »
Well...i hope they remember to get rid of the jaggies while they\'re at it.

and i thought the joint venture include IBM as well? Or IBM was involved in just the design?

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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2003, 09:01:23 PM »
I\'m pretty sure IBM is still working with them...let\'s just wait for another article...and I\'m sure jaggies won\'t be a problem on the new system :rolleyes: People complained about that too much...

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2003, 09:41:09 AM »
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I\'m pretty sure IBM is still working with them...let\'s just wait for another article...and I\'m sure jaggies won\'t be a problem on the new system :rolleyes: People complained about that too much...

Really. Higher res too.

I thought it was coming fall of 2005?
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2003, 10:32:43 AM »
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Really. Higher res too.

I thought it was coming fall of 2005?


They are considering that delays can not be avoided. They say 2005 but the safer bet is to assume that it will surely be released in oh six.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2003, 03:44:34 PM »
Finally we are getting somewhere.. Cant wait to see the tech demos :) (and for those of you who are now going to say "Bla bla bla, PS2 never lived up to its tech-demos", you are wrong.. Your memory deceives you.)
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2003, 07:42:25 PM »
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Finally we are getting somewhere.. Cant wait to see the tech demos :) (and for those of you who are now going to say "Bla bla bla, PS2 never lived up to its tech-demos", you are wrong.. Your memory deceives you.)

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2003, 08:13:22 AM »
According to new infomation from Sony, the Performance Analyzer shows that the best looking games on PS2 at the moment only utilize just over 30% of PS2\'s power and that one of the vector units are left completely without utilisation at all.

Check this thread here:

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9374

Interesting indeed. So there\'s a whole lot of room for improvement as so much power is left wasted at the moment.

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2003, 04:25:16 AM »
Performance Analyzer 2 Thread @ beyond3d:

It\'s a shame, but the big question is, how well can the console be utilized at all? I\'m sure there will be devs that will push the hardware even harder, but the big question is if they\'ll ever get past 70%....

As for PS3:
IBM is still in, though their envolvment goes just up to CELL and no further. PS3 is handled entirely by Sony, while Toshiba might be handling various parts of CELL aswell as IBM (including fabbing on a 65nm process).

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2003, 05:01:43 AM »
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According to new infomation from Sony, the Performance Analyzer shows that the best looking games on PS2 at the moment only utilize just over 30% of PS2\'s power and that one of the vector units are left completely without utilisation at all.

Check this thread here:

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9374

Interesting indeed. So there\'s a whole lot of room for improvement as so much power is left wasted at the moment.


What the hell?If this is true PS2 kicks XBOXs ass easily in all aspects!!!
The PS2 is nearing the end of its life span (hell it was released in 1999 its almost 5 years old) and not even half of its true performance has been utilised.PS1 had games like GT when it was 5 years old that neared its full performance.WOW!!!

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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2003, 06:29:55 AM »
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What the hell?If this is true PS2 kicks XBOXs ass easily in all aspects!!!
The PS2 is nearing the end of its life span (hell it was released in 1999 its almost 5 years old) and not even half of its true performance has been utilised.PS1 had games like GT when it was 5 years old that neared its full performance.WOW!!!


Why make it that hard to develop for?  The graphics are just about on par with Xbox and GC...who despite their easy architecture are still managing to pump out excellent looking games on a regular basis.

Here\'s hopin the PS3 is a bit more developer friendly so I don\'t have to listen to people talking about how much they should, could, would have done...

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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2003, 06:35:14 AM »
My memory does not deceive me. I\'m not just a blind fanboy.

PS2 tech demo\'s.

"Toy story quality!"

George Lucas endorsing PS2 with it\'s great graphics.


Yeah, right, blow me hard Sony.

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2003, 07:12:27 AM »
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My memory does not deceive me. I\'m not just a blind fanboy.

PS2 tech demo\'s.

"Toy story quality!"

George Lucas endorsing PS2 with it\'s great graphics.


Yeah, right, blow me hard Sony.


Toy story quality = media, not Sony IIRC. If it were Sony, link me up.. I have been dying to finally get a link on that quote.

George Lucas = Sony? Come on LIC, you can do better than that! ;)

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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2003, 10:38:31 AM »
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According to new infomation from Sony, the Performance Analyzer shows that the best looking games on PS2 at the moment only utilize just over 30% of PS2\'s power and that one of the vector units are left completely without utilisation at all.

Well considering this is coming from sony (the people who said the ps2 could produce 80Mpps but never told us it was raw until later) It may be a bit shady. Eventhough that may be true at least 50-60% might not be in use. You always get that tingling sensation when you hear things like that.

Anyway, i dont know how anything but perfection could juice out more performance from the ps2. Its been getting better though. There was a time where MGS2 was the best looking game ever on ps2. Some my still debate it but i think we have surpased that level (esp w/ snake eater alone).

I like the fact that consoles give certain devs a challenge to unlock their true potential but with a machine that loves to kill poor devs its kinda hard to bring back all the good niche games. Hopefully PS3 will perfect this "unlocking" method.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2003, 10:52:20 AM »
What are you talking about? They always said 66-75 million raw polygons, they never said anything different.

 

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