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Offline Capcom
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« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2003, 08:30:08 PM »
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Join the friggin\' club.
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EXACTLY!

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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2003, 10:18:06 PM »
Eh, humans over populate anyway, we kill animals, animals are technicaly just as valuable as a human life...
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« Reply #47 on: January 01, 2004, 12:14:56 AM »
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I\'m shocked... I would\'ve bet a buffalo nickel that you would have been pro-choice...


Well, good thing you didnt bet.
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« Reply #48 on: January 01, 2004, 03:13:22 AM »
Good thing that I don\'t even know what a buffalo nickel is...

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« Reply #49 on: January 01, 2004, 08:59:04 AM »
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I wish my parents had aborted me.


Why is that?
Having kids is a very, very big responsibility.  If parents don\'t think they can\'t handle that responsibility, then don\'t have kids.  Abuse, neglect, bad decisions making are some of the things that parents do that affect the kids badly in future life.
There is a saying, "there is no right ways to parenting," but i would like to add, "but there are wrong ways to parenting."  Those wrongs way can be so bad that some kids have try or thought about killing themselves.  Or even blame their mom on why giving birth to them.

oh btw, don\'t worry about U. S. population.  Its pretty under control.  Unlike China and India where both have over a billion population each.  China made a law that you can\'t have more than 1 child per family or something like that but the babies is still booming over there.  India, well the populuation growth is going crazy.  Our country, it\'s pretty much maintain, not sure how (must be protection or something) but our population growth is slow, so don\'t worry about getting overpopulated.

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« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2004, 09:04:07 AM »
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Our country, it\'s pretty much maintain, not sure how

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« Reply #51 on: January 01, 2004, 10:05:13 AM »
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Pro-life.

If the child is a fetus, and it is killed it is no different from murder.

Give birth to the child, and send him to adoption if you dont want to take responsibility.



 pro-choice

 it should be stricktly up to the individual, but you make a point as far as the fetus goes. nevertheless no-one should have the right to dictate what to do with one\'s body, if that\'s the case you might as well put restrictions on cosmetic surgery,( i know it doesn\'t deal with life choices but you get the point) and it would be pretty hard to get a woman to go the full term with a pregnancy she doesn\'t want. alas i agree with vid & a few others in which it should not be used as birth-control.
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« Reply #52 on: January 01, 2004, 06:14:22 PM »
I was going to mention the whole "the father has no saying in this", mostly because they probably don\'t. If the mother decides to have the baby and if she doesn\'t want anything to do with the father...who ends up with the kid and getting money from child support? On the other hand, if the mother aborts the kid and the father wanted the kid, I\'m pretty sure it wouln\'t matter.

People that are "pro-life"...You\'re are doing just what all the rest do. You are neglecting the mother\'s right of choice. "Have the Kid and give it up for adoption" bla bla bla...Unless you\'re going to have a bulky piece of flesh come out of a tiny hole you probably shouln\'t be telling people to do it if they don\'t want to. To all the Christians, I\'m pretty sure everysingle one of you disagrees. Well, wasn\'t it God\'s gift to human kind free will? Aren\'t you denying that mother\'s rights to make use of God\'s gift?...Just a question.
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« Reply #53 on: January 01, 2004, 07:31:36 PM »
Its their son, they have the choice. Its not only part of mother, its also part of the father.

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You\'re are doing just what all the rest do. You are neglecting the mother\'s right of choice.

And your neglecting the childs right of life. Nothing is more important than life. Nothing
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« Reply #54 on: January 01, 2004, 08:00:42 PM »
first of all who the hell is (e)? :P

second of all,  this is a very hard argument, im pretty much stuck in the middle myself.....

only because at some point, if your allowed to go around aborting babies why is murder wrong in adults....

But anyways, I do not think the goverment should decide one way or the other.... I think it should be up to the parents.

Now, yer prolly asking, what about the babies choice in all of this....

obviously there should be a limit on how far the development is....
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« Reply #55 on: January 01, 2004, 10:18:42 PM »
Adding another two cents on this, I hate to say that I agree with Spudz, but I do.

The child is also part of the Father and in some manner, I think the father if willing, should have some kind of say on the abortion. This is his child also and he has to live with the thought of what could of been.

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« Reply #56 on: January 01, 2004, 11:31:38 PM »
I said that from the very beginning.  The whole mother getting all the say is an absolute joke, just like the mother getting custody 9 times out of 10, but thats a whole different subject.

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« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2004, 10:25:12 AM »
I think no one would have to abort if the parents would take responsibility and think with the right head. Use a condom or birth control. This situation is very easily avoided. But if you are raped and don\'t want a kid, especially from some stranger, you should have the right to abort it. But should a child really die from the stupidity of the parents? Should a child die because the father and mother don\'t keep things to themselves or take the necessary measures to prevent this? Like I said earlier, I\'m neutral and thats where I stay.
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« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2004, 10:35:54 AM »
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I said that from the very beginning.  The whole mother getting all the say is an absolute joke, just like the mother getting custody 9 times out of 10, but thats a whole different subject.



The female gender will always be the first to scream "it takes two to make a baby", when the father is not willing to accept responsibility. They will also be the first to scream "it\'s my body" when the father does want to accept responsibility for child.

 They are ignorant to the fact that it takes two, when it comes to that situation.  It is their body and the man has no say in the situation, which is really quite sad. We as a society are always pushing for males to step up and want the child they help take care of, but when given the chance, the final choice goes down to the woman, even if it did take two.

As for the female gender getting custody of a child in a divorce, that is due to the fact that the court and general population think that the mother is the only one in the childs life. Not to mention it being just another piece of evidence of the new sexist role reversal. At one time, guy\'s had all the power and the women screamed that it was "sexist". Then came equal rights and now women have more power than a man could ever imagine and guess what it\'s called? It is called "equal rights", even though it is nowhere near equal.

If you are ever in a divorce, your chance of getting the child is very slim, if you are a male. The court\'s will say the kid needs someone to develop and care for the kid - as if a father is unable to do this. Fact is, for a woman to lose custody of a child, she would have to be a convicted crack addict and unable to stay out of jail. That\'s about the only way.

There is no such thing as "equal rights" it\'s just a nice way of saying \'role reversal sexism\'.


With all that said, pills such as "the morning after pill" only serve to make the abortion process easier and less and less personal. It is akin to the old days of firing squads. You line one man up, blind fold him, get a 100 other guy\'s, 99 of them have a gun with a blank and one has a gun with a bullet. They fired and no one knew who done the killing. Extremely inpersonal. The morning after pill is the same thing. You take it after sex - you may be pregant, you may not. You don\'t stop and think about it , you don\'t deal with the "shame" of going to a clinic and everything is fine. The female can tell herself she was never actually pregant and that she has never really done an abortion and if she did, well, the fetus was only a day old, right?
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« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2004, 06:28:27 PM »
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Its their son, they have the choice. Its not only part of mother, its also part of the father.


And your neglecting the childs right of life. Nothing is more important than life. Nothing


What is it that bothers you the most?

You can\'t argue that it is immoral. Unless you are mentally and your conscience doesn\'t let you live because of the abortions that happen everyday, then it isn\'t your problem. If the woman thinks she can live knowin that she "killed" her baby, then let her.

You can\'t make a woman HAVE a child. That\'s the end of it. If there was some way to magically make the baby come out of the people defending the "childs right of life" then I would have no problem with it. Why bring a child into this world by forcing the mother? It would only cause the child to grow up in a household where it isn\'t wanted. Adoption? How many kid\'s grow up straight and are adopted...I don\'t mean straight as in sexual preference. The kid is going to have to suffer moving from foster home to foster home until somebody "wants" him. Then he becomes the "burden" or responsibility of those new parents. Plus, if he is old enough to know and ask why he was adopted, what is going to happen when he finds out he was originally planned to be aborted?

Yes, Women get way too many rights. Guys always get screwed in those cases.
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