Gay Marriages - your take?

[SirMystiq]

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Yeah I know. But I\'m saying that if they win their rights, they shouln\'t try to force Religions to accept them.



And I agree, Separation of Church and State. That goes out for those Anti-Abortion people too.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
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 they shouln\'t try to force Religions to accept them.
 

Honestly, I think homosexuals couldn\'t care less about those "religions" that have ridiculed and persecuted them so much already.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by SwifDi
Crap... well you guys have forced it out of me.

First off I don\'t want to start a religious debate, but I am going to start off by saying I am a Christian. However I\'m not your typical Bible thumping Christian, I like to generalize and make exceptions for what my own divine intellect percieves as "right" and "wrong".

Homosexuality doesn\'t seem so evil to me. Love is love. I kind of bite my tongue when people at church discuss it and say things like, "so sick", "demented, "twisted".

So let them get married, why not? Is anybody losing money or being physically harmed by it? Not really.

Now the issue about children... I believe that it is vital to have a mother, as a nurturer. Can a male play this role? Highly doubtful. Aside from all the scientific nature involved, think about the child. Unquestionably he would live a life of harrassment for having gay parents. Unless you\'re in some gay Utopia society, the kid will undergo a very rough upbringing.

Will you just SHUT UP? For God sake, I hate when you say something and I agree with it. Nothing annoys me more than that.

Seriously though, while I think two gay parents can provide a good stable home for a child, I think you also to take in account what the child would go through. Not only the questions that would come up, but the fact there are still a lot of bigots and hateful people, who would make life for the child hell. So, in that respect, I can\'t say I have a clear stance on the issue of them raising a child. It\'s not that I don\'t think they can do it, it\'s that I don\'t think it would be best for the child, due to the rest of the world\'s pressure\'s and ignorance.

Exactly, and whats sad is that there are a handful of gay couples that make much better parents than some of low-life parents around today.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by SwifDi
Exactly, and whats sad is that there are a handful of gay couples that make much better parents than some of low-life parents around today.

Exactly, if anything I would say a lot of gay couples would be better than some of these straight couples, if nothing else, than for the fact they have to fight tooth and nail to get a child. Where as a straight couple can have them as an accident.

Sadly, that doesn\'t change the fact that when a kid goes to school and explains he has two dads / mom\'s, other kids are going to make fun of him.

Heres a song for ya:

If you follow the jaw line down over the heart,
the curves of your bone and muscle that make up your head to toe...
it\'s just skin and thread, stitches and ligaments,
words that we spoke only to regret.
I know they\'re going to laugh at us
when they see us out together "holding hands" like this.
They wouldn\'t understand it if we told them all the reasons,
not that I think this deserves any kind of explanation.
We can make it up so we\'ve got a smile painted on all the time,
no matter what it\'s like on the inside.
We\'ll kepp this, keep us like a secret,
because if my family and friends ever found out about the things we could never be,
haunts we\'ll all keep, so ****ing bittersweet.


Anyways, figure out what it\'s about if ya want, isn\'t too hard....

And on the subject, it is ridiculous that we need this thread. Sad sad fact about our society.....

Oh and Although I do believe in democracy, I do not believe that the majority should decide morals for the minority. It is control, it is imposing your beliefs on someone else, and it is supposdly for the security of society....

Most laws are absed on morals btw.


Edit: The song is "The Disco before the breakdown" by Against Me!

Originally posted by SwifDi
Aside from all the scientific nature involved, think about the child. Unquestionably he would live a life of harrassment for having gay parents. Unless you\'re in some gay Utopia society, the kid will undergo a very rough upbringing.

It\'s not as bad as you\'d think.  There are a lot of understanding people out there...a lot more than non understanding people.  Besides, it\'s not like a kid will go around displaying that he has gay parents.  Generally it wouldn\'t even come up until the kid invites a friend or someone to his house, at which point if the kid is gonna be that much of an ass about it, they\'re not the best friend anyway.

Besides, I think that can be countered by what is almost a guarantee that the child will be brought up by parents that will preach tolerance and acceptance, which can only benefit a kid.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Exactly, if anything I would say a lot of gay couples would be better than some of these straight couples, if nothing else, than for the fact they have to fight tooth and nail to get a child. Where as a straight couple can have them as an accident.

Sadly, that doesn\'t change the fact that when a kid goes to school and explains he has two dads / mom\'s, other kids are going to make fun of him.

That just shows how poorly we treat ourselves. I don\'t think that a gay couple would have a problem raising a child, but society might think so. Being made fun of doesn\'t mean the child is going to stop loving his parents. Whether they\'re gay or not a child grows up looking at them as "parents" and loves them. Kids make fun of kids all the time. Once the kid gets to highschool, people would be more understandable of his situation(most of the time), people develop a sense of "self defense". Like if somebody makes fun of your ...dog...eventually you would think " so what if they do, I love my dog" If the child is faced with physical abuse, then that\'s another problem that should be dealt with another way.


^^^Also, what Shockwaves said.

This is my opinion,if a kid grew up thinking it was normal to have two same sex parents it\'s got to have some impact on the kids lifestyle.

So I\'ll say no they shouldn\'t have kids.

Edit: Marriage is religious,so no there to.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Skyrider666
This is my opinion,if a kid grew up thinking it was normal to have two same sex parents it\'s got to have some impact on the kids lifestyle.

So I\'ll say no they shouldn\'t have kids.

I have to disagree. Common sense will dictate, by nature that it is not "normal". Yes, the child will grow up more accepting of homosexuality, but I really don\'t think it will make a child gay or make a child want to be gay, but then again, I also believe homosexuality is actually somethin genetic. Why else would someone be attracted to the same sex? Why would someone want to suffer the abuse that a lot of homosexuals suffer through?

Last time I checked nobody can force a sexual preference on you.  If anything gay parents have the understanding of being discriminated against to know not to force anything on the child.

Originally posted by Skyrider666
This is my opinion,if a kid grew up thinking it was normal to have two same sex parents it\'s got to have some impact on the kids lifestyle.

So I\'ll say no they shouldn\'t have kids.

Edit: Marriage is religious,so no there to.

Marriage is not religious, we are talking about the matter of the state.  Legal marriage, not relgious.  Married people are looked at very differently under the law than single people.  

And tell me, how would it affect someone\'s life style?  If someone had gay parents, what might it do to them?

So you guys don\'t think it\'s a possability that after living with a gay couple,that it\'s not unnatural and have a good time with there same sex friend even though they aren\'t gay?

It\'s like doctors who see people cut open all the time.If me or you saw a person with there gut cut open would be like OMG, but the doctor who had seen it a hundred times would be like what can we do to fix it.

Originally posted by Skyrider666
So you guys don\'t think it\'s a possability that after living with a gay couple,that it\'s not unnatural and have a good time with there same sex friend even though they aren\'t gay?

No, I don\'t think that at all.  Tell me, if you lived with a gay couple for a while, would you suddenly want to be gay?

[SirMystiq]

So b/c you have gay parents...You will never look at somebody of the same sex as just a "friend"? That\'s pretty...weird.
The kid will eventually know how things work, If his parents raise to knowing that they are gay b/c*bla bla bla* then the kid wouln\'t have a biased opinion or automatically be gay.

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