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« on: March 11, 2004, 07:52:40 AM »
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=CVTKEJSZUZF4GCRBAEZSFFA?type=topNews&storyID=4548295§ion=news

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MADRID (Reuters) - Basque separatists killed 173 people in simultaneous blasts that ripped through packed Madrid trains in the guerrilla group\'s bloodiest attack in more than three decades, Spain said on Thursday.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attacks across the Spanish capital three days before a national election, but Spain insisted the Basque separatist group ETA was to blame.

It brushed aside suggestions that Muslim militants angry at Spain\'s support for the U.S.-led war in Iraq were behind the attacks.

Ten rush-hour blasts at three railway stations tore up people, including a baby, and left pools of blood in the wreckage of trains, tracks and buildings.

"It is absolutely clear that the terrorist organization ETA was seeking an attack with wide repercussions," Interior Minister Angel Acebes told a hastily called news conference, dismissing speculation that any other group could be involved.

Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar vowed the government would arrest the "criminals" behind the blasts, which ripped open commuter trains like tuna cans.

The Interior Ministry said 173 people died in the explosions which rocked the central Madrid station of Atocha, the southern Madrid station of El Pozo and a third at Santa Eugenia.

Officials said 600 people were injured.

ETA (Euskadi ta Askatasuna) has killed around 850 people since 1968 in its fight for a separate Basque homeland in northwest Spain and southwest France and has been branded a terrorist group by the United States and the European Union.

Late last month, police arrested two suspected ETA members who were heading for Madrid with a van containing 1,100 lbs of explosives, averting a possible attack.

If the Basque group was responsible for Thursday\'s bombings, it would be its deadliest attack, exceeding the 21 people it killed in a supermarket blast in Barcelona in 1987.

A LOT OF BLOOD
"I saw a baby torn to bits," said Ana Maria Mayor, a train passenger, her voice cracking.

Ambulance driver Enrique Sanchez said at Atocha station that many people had facial wounds, amputated limbs and broken bones.

"The train was cut open like a can of tuna...We didn\'t know who to treat first. There was a lot of blood, a lot of blood."

The Spanish government convened an emergency cabinet meeting and the ruling Popular Party suspended its election campaign, which had focused on a tougher stance against ETA.

European stock markets fell sharply on fears the attack was the work of Islamic extremists, while bond markets rallied as investors pushed their cash into safe havens. The September 11 attacks on the U.S. led to sharp falls in global markets in 2001 and were blamed for deepening a worldwide economic slump.

President Bush joined other leaders in condemning the bombings which European Parliament President Pat Cox called the "worst act of terror in memory in any European Union state."

It was the biggest death toll in Europe since December 1988 when a Pan American World Airways Boeing 747 crashed on the town of Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 259 aboard after a bomb on the plane exploded. Eleven people in Lockerbie also were killed.

Some experts on ETA said the bombings did not fit ETA\'s usual profile for attacks. The guerrilla group has frequently phoned ahead to warn of its plans.

Last month ETA declared a cease-fire limited to the northeastern region of Catalonia but made clear it would pursue the armed struggle in the rest of the country.

In October, two audiotapes purportedly from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden said the militant group had the "right to respond at any suitable time and place" against those countries with forces in Iraq. Spain was among the countries listed.



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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2004, 08:15:57 AM »
Neve rquite understood why the Basque are so violent. Are they persecuted people by the Spanish government? In the US, we rarely hear about the "why it led to that"....just the explosions.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2004, 09:00:13 AM »
could be the Basque... Could be Al Qaeda ...

The Basques have a history of bombings against the Spanish people.

But

Al Qaeda tend go for these Simultaneous attacks

Either way you could say for the moment it doesn\'t matter (for now).

The important thing is to hope that the death toll dosen\'t rise.

The shocking thing is that they discovered 3 (and dealt with) more devises planted near the explosions, from the looks of things they where aimed to kill the emergency services and survivors from the explosion.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2004, 09:03:53 AM by ooseven »
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2004, 10:02:45 AM »
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Neve rquite understood why the Basque are so violent. Are they persecuted people by the Spanish government? In the US, we rarely hear about the "why it led to that"....just the explosions.


ETAs goals:

The group aims to secure an independent Marxist state comprising the Basque-inhabited areas of Spain and France (Euskal Herria). This region includes the Spanish provinces of Vizcaya (Biscay), Guipuzcoa, Alava and Navarre (often referred to collectively as the Basque Country) and the French areas of Lower Navarre, Labourd (Lapurdi) and Soule(Zuberoa), all located in southwestern France in the département of Pyrénées-Atlantiques.

Because of its allegiance to Marxist ideas, ETA has in the past been sponsored by communist regimes such as Cuba, as well as by Libya and Lebanon, and some of its members have found political asylum in Mexico and Venezuela. It has had links with other left-wing terrorist movements in Europe and elsewhere, such as the IRA.

Tactics
The ETA group operates mainly in Spain and was founded in 1959, positioning itself as a resistance movement to General Franco\'s often violent suppression of the Basques.

It often uses terrorist tactics, attacking both civilian and military targets. It employs bombings and assassinations, mainly aimed against politicians opposed to Basque nationalism, journalists, intellectuals, businessmen and the Guardia Civil and other Spanish and Basque security forces. It has killed an estimated 800 people since the 1960s. Its activities have mostly been confined to Spain, particularly the Basque Country, Madrid, Barcelona and the tourist areas of the Mediterranean coast of Spain. Although it has not carried out attacks in France, ETA units have nonetheless been active there.

ETA finances its operations through kidnapping, extortion, robbery, arms traffic and "taxes" . It is listed as a terrorist organization by the United States and all EU countries, as of December 2001.



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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2004, 11:01:37 AM »
Do you idolize those guys fastson?
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2004, 11:06:47 AM »
Don\'t think so Giga ....I think he was just posting ETA\'s "Reason of being".

Looks like most of the Football games have been cancelled , with the expection of the Glasgow Celtic Vs Barcelona.

Going to be a Minutes silence for the victims..
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2004, 11:25:07 AM »
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Do you idolize those guys fastson?


:confused:

To answer your question: No
Just posted the info on what ETA is, from wikipedia.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2004, 11:45:11 AM »
Maybe Adan will stop working on his latest 3D project and come give us some input...
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2004, 11:52:16 AM »
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To answer your question: No
Just posted the info on what ETA is, from wikipedia.


The reason I asked is from what I gather you like Marxist governments.  No insult intended.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2004, 12:10:17 PM »
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The reason I asked is from what I gather you like Marxist governments.  No insult intended.


Umm. No, I dont support "governments" who kill civilians like that.
Just because I\'m a socialist (actually a social democrat) does not mean I support ALL socialistic government, just like you would not support a state similar to the one Adolf Hitler had. ( :rolleyes: I know)

On the topic again, it seems a van has been found containing detonators and audio tapes with verses from the Koran.
Hmm..
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2004, 12:17:19 PM »
As ooseven said most likely Al Qaeda.  I wouldn\'t think the commies would gain much public sympathy for doing something like that ;)
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2004, 12:21:38 PM »
UPDATE:

Al Qaeda claims responsibility.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113887,00.html

Or so a letter states... more to follow...
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2004, 01:43:30 PM »
If it is Al Qaeda then they are getting closer. :eek:

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2004, 04:20:44 PM »
That\'s pretty sad. It\'ll be sadder if it was Al-Quaeda(sp) that did all this shit. What\'s more scary is that they found some letter that claims that there is a terrorist attack almost ready to hit here in the US.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2004, 04:29:15 PM »
Anyone seen Adan lately?

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