Congressman omits \'Under God\' from pledge...

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May I have a hand at summing this up? Most our laws are based off tradional Christain values, which are based off the bible. Seperation from church and state is impossible, without a complete reinvention of the US Govement and we all know that will not happen. At most we can hope for is the removal of any religious reference in our American money  / pledge and so on. It serves no purpose, other than to keep the bind of church and state.

Yes you may, and thankyou LIC for making that into a nice short version.

I do indeed know that the social/political change that I want is near impossible, but such a large change must elvove slowly, so we might as well start now.... But yep, LIC has it right, most our social and polticial values are traditional and based off religious values.

Ahh back to the topic finally... yes our values are based on Christian values and ideals... though drugs aren\'t a religious issue.

On that note our law which is based on English Common Law is derived from Saxon law which was not Christian.

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Isn\'t it amazing how I took four pages and condensed it to one paragraph?

Seriously though, as someone who is not religious, I do see the need to seperate the chuch from the state. Do we honestly need the ten commandements in our Courts? No, we don\'t. Do we need \'In God we Trust\' on our money? No. It serves no purpose whatsoever, other than to keep that bind secure , someting that doesn\'t need to be binded together. As the so called "land of the free", I see the binding of such as more a forced religious aspect on those who are not Christain or may be Athiest.

As for the drugs, I agree that is not religious, I do however think they should be legal. It should be legal for anyone of the age to drink or smoke, that they can put whatever they want in their bodies, as long as they are not solicting it to a minor. If that person who is on drugs hurts someone, then we have laws in place to deal with that. There is no reason for drugs to be illegal. It\'s an oppression f a person\'s right to do what they will with their body. Not only that, it is hypocritical due to the fact you can smoke and drink, which are equally bad for someone\'s health.

I don\'t care if you want to see it or not, but as American\'s we are losing our rights every day. We are becoming more and more a communist based society, in my humble opinion.

I wouldn\'t go so far as to say becomming a more commie society everyday since communism isn\'t that bad in theory but more a communistic dictatorship. Kinda like Cuba.

I see a big contradiction here... in one breath some are saying we don\'t have enough separation between church and state and in the next "we are becoming more communist every day"?

Communism supports the absence of God in everything - so how could this be?  If we are becoming more like a "communist dictatorship" than surely God would have been striken from the pledge and money long ago.

Please know your "ism\'s" before making blanket statements that are blatantly incorrect.

What\'s going on?  I think L-I-Cs post is missing...\\


WTF?  A few posts just disappeared?  :eek:

Well it might be a VBB glitch after talking to LIC.  I will have to ask mm or Ryu about it.  In any case only a few posts are missing and those are the ones that went OT...  I was trying to create a State and Religion turned Personal Freedoms thread and move all of the related posts over there while trying to preserve this threads original topic.  Sorry

EDIT:  Ryu found it.  It has its own thread.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I see a big contradiction here... in one breath some are saying we don\'t have enough separation between church and state and in the next "we are becoming more communist every day"?

Communism supports the absence of God in everything - so how could this be?  If we are becoming more like a "communist dictatorship" than surely God would have been striken from the pledge and money long ago.

Please know your "ism\'s" before making blanket statements that are blatantly incorrect.

I know my ism\'s quite well thank you anyway though sir smug-alot

I made a comparison of things I feel are slowly headed one way or another.

It doesn\'t seem communistic to you that we are told in instances what is good for us to do, watch, or say in instances?

It wouldn\'t have been stricken if we weren\'t that far no? Just like now we aren\'t that far. As soon as we are told this or that and are screened from this or that...it\'s a step..albeit a small one, but it is.

For gods sake, they don\'t even show clothed tits jiggle on TV anymore!!!!! (some blind date I caught today )

Originally posted by TSina
I know my ism\'s quite well thank you anyway though sir smug-alot

I made a comparison of things I feel are slowly headed one way or another.

It doesn\'t seem communistic to you that we are told in instances what is good for us to do, watch, or say in instances?

It wouldn\'t have been stricken if we weren\'t that far no? Just like now we aren\'t that far. As soon as we are told this or that and are screened from this or that...it\'s a step..albeit a small one, but it is.

For gods sake, they don\'t even show clothed tits jiggle on TV anymore!!!!! (some blind date I caught today )

You are way out of your league PMSina :rolleyes:

I still haven\'t seen you base one opinion of yours on fact.  If we were anywhere near being a communist regime, there would be no private business.  The state would own everything including property.  There would be no churches, there would be no abundance of food, there would be no television or freedom of the press... are you getting my point yet?  

I have sat back and given you enough rope to hang yourself in this thread - anyone who knows anything about politics and types of government knows that the US is far from Communist.  That has to be one of the stupidest things I have read in this forum.

Every government has rules and laws - which for the most part are there to protect its citizens.  You only think laws are necessary when they don\'t interfere with your "fun". :rolleyes:  It really does help to think before you type.  Instead of watching Blind Date - read some books.  

You just don\'t get it do you.

Just because I make a comparisson about something you always jump to conclude that I mean an exact comparison.

It doesn\'t seem communistic to you that we are told in instances what is good for us to do, watch, or say in instances?
 ^^^^that is what I asked you and my only comparison.

Probably need to explain this to you as well.
When I said dictator, it was meant in the way a dictator tells you what you should do and is good for you. Before you start jumping to conclusions about what exactly I meant again.

Giga is right, we are not near communism.

Perhaps you mean we are closer to totalitarianism? that would be more valid I think.

Originally posted by TSina
I wouldn\'t go so far as to say becomming a more commie society everyday since communism isn\'t that bad in theory but more a communistic dictatorship. Kinda like Cuba.

Did you not say the word communism?  Twice even!  Well three times if you count the word commie.  Please don\'t respond - I didn\'t think you could make yourself look worse, but I suppose I was wrong.

Go look up the word totalitarianism.

EDIT:  Good one Hamster - you at least know what it is.

I know what I said. I do know the difference. I may speak loosely, but I think you are still missing what I have exactly explained to you.

No more, no less.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Wasn\'t the brain damaged woman\'s husband behind taking her off of life support and the biological relatives were against it?  I think there was more to it than how you are portraying it.  How is that unconstitutional anyway?

A few days later, the answer comes...  

Judge Voids Law Keeping Fla. Woman Alive

TAMPA, Fla. - A law pushed through by Gov. Jeb Bush to keep a severely brain-damaged woman alive was struck down by a Florida judge Thursday in the latest turn in one of the nation\'s longest and bitterest right-to-die cases.

The governor\'s office filed an immediate appeal.

Circuit Judge W. Douglas Baird ruled that Terri\'s Law, named after Terri Schiavo, is unconstitutional because it violates the disabled woman\'s right to privacy and delegates legislative power to the governor.