Congressman omits \'Under God\' from pledge...

Ones who try to ban a basic right of citizens is what is wrong with the right wing in our society.

On the same token..anyone who tries to outlaw something they feel is RELIGIOUSLY wrong, not to mention taking away rights from certain individuals certainly sounds fanatical to me. President or not, he has no right to do what he tried to do to fit his own agenda.

If certain mayors are, then certain presidents are as well no.

Marriage was started as a religious ceremony and most people today still view it as one.  Like I said I am not going to get into a debate on this in this thread.

And that has what to do with the LEADER of our country mixing church and state? That is what he is doing you know. Because of what again? The same thing you accuse a certain mayor of doing, catering to his own personal agenda. Just like the war in Iraq, but thats another can-O-worms altogether.

What did you not understand about what I said?  Marriage is a religious ceremony.  The problem isn\'t with them living together in some form of union it is them using the term "married".  If the government has to step in to protect the rights of those of us that cherish the sanctity of marriage than more power to him.

[Titan]

Originally posted by TSina
Flip flopping ehh? Maybe you are a liberal indeedy, like John Kerry\'s flip flopping self.

Like I said before, I have some liberal views (like the God in the Pledge and money. Shows I\'m more or less neutral), other than those very few, I\'m conservative. If I ever go liberal, I think I\'m going to jump off my roof.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
What did you not understand about what I said?  Marriage is a religious ceremony.  The problem isn\'t with them living together in some form of union it is them using the term "married".  If the government has to step in to protect the rights of those of us that cherish the sanctity of marriage than more power to him.

Don\'t be condescending to me. With that said....

What did YOU not understand about what I said? Seeing how marriage is the religious ceremony it is in some cases, the government HAS NO BUSINESS nor say in what two others want to do. They are not hurting anyone by wanting to be married. At this point I have to ask what you may be smoking or injecting into your veins. What I mean by that is this.

You and others have no rights when it concerns someone elses marriage. Do you not understand that? It is quite simple. The government has NO business in matters of someone marriage, the idea that they do is simply absurd.

Ever hear of marriages between man and women that do not concern some sort of religious body. Such as city hall or a justice of the peace? Many of these same weddings between a man and a woman do not have any religious words in the ceremony. Should those be banned as well. Opps..should YOUR(ha-ha) rights be protected there too?

Opps..no b/c it doesn\'t concern you one iota(sp?)

Maybe this will be more clear

Church-------insert SEPERATION DIVIDER here---- Government


PS..Titan, I was just ribbing ya\' a little bit, hence the emoticons.

Originally posted by TSina
Don\'t be condescending to me. With that said....

What did YOU not understand about what I said? Seeing how marriage is the religious ceremony it is in some cases, the government HAS NO BUSINESS nor say in what two others want to do. They are not hurting anyone by wanting to be married. At this point I have to ask what you may be smoking or injecting into your veins. What I mean by that is this.

You and others have no rights when it concerns someone elses marriage. Do you not understand that? It is quite simple. The government has NO business in matters of someone marriage, the idea that they do is simply absurd.

I know it is hard for you to understand but allowing gays to marry makes a mockery of the institution of marriage.  Civil unions yes, marriage no.  I am not going anymore OT than we already have.  This is about the pledge... keep it there.

No it doesnt. Seperation of church and try..try it sometime.

The pledge..uhm yea...seperation of church and state. No under god.

the institution of marrige? where is that anyway? really, got an address? i wanna drive there and propose a change.

 The lesser of 2 evils IMO is Bush. I would hardly call him a "fantatic" as well. Conservative yes, fanatic no. Listening to too much of that liberal media have we?

The ones who perform gay marriages with no legal authority to do so are symptoms of the what is wrong with the left wing in this country. I am not going to debate gay marriage, but a mayor certainly has no right to "interpret" the law to fit his own agenda.

It is good that someone has the courage to break laws that are unfair, I wish we could all have that courage.

Anyways, if Marriage creates changes legally and is recognized by the sate, then it is NOT 100% religious.

Also, minoritys ALWAYS get ****ed over by the majority untill by one way or another the majority graduates out of their own mental pre school.

That is why democracy sucks ass.

We already had a long assed thread on gay marriage a couple months ago.  I propose that if you want to discuss it, post in that thread.  The issues are connected as far as the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE goes, but I think you\'re not going to have much luck changing Giga\'s mind on either one.

He believes (and I\'m sure other people do too) that two men getting married somewhere else on US soil somehow weakens his own marriage.  I don\'t understand that, but that\'s the way he wants to portray it, so you\'ve got to leave it at that.

Exactly what Core said... we had a very long discussion about gay marriage in an earlier thread.  I am sorry I even used it as an example in this thread.  If you want to discuss it any further, please open a new thread.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster

It is good that someone has the courage to break laws that are unfair, I wish we could all have that courage.

Also, minoritys ALWAYS get ****ed over by the majority untill by one way or another the majority graduates out of their own mental pre school.

That is why democracy sucks ass.

Courage to break laws..............wow thats one of the most ignorant comments I\'ve ever heard.

Also, what you\'re proposing is rediculous.  Why should the minority get the say, just because you feel it\'s right???  Also....:rolleyes:

Originally posted by TSina
Damn that\'s sad that he is turning 18.
It\'s not that I am Mother *-Teresa-* or anything as I do think violence is acceptable at many times, but just because you dont like what someone said...or in this case, didnt say. That is just flat out retardly stupid. He has alot to learn before he goes off to college, if he does.

 

University of Notre Dame to be exact. I think you obviously took my "punch in the face" comment dead serious, however you are forgiven because you are a new member, everybody knows that I often exagerrate to get my points across.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster

Also, minoritys ALWAYS get ****ed over by the majority untill by one way or another the majority graduates out of their own mental pre school.

That is why democracy sucks ass.

I dunno what country you\'ve been living in, but over here in America the only thing we do is directly cater to the minority, more now than ever.

And my final point (hopefully), is that despite being a Christian, I believe that separation of church and state is fair for those who have no association with any particular religion.

My point in creating this thread, and my disappointment was with the manner in which this politician took with reciting something that is only comprised of the greatest respect towards our country. The fact that he \'made it his own, because of something he didn\'t like\', and he is there in Congress representing people from a state, is wrong.

He was only abiding to the constitution ya know.

And, we do not abide to the minority. You know why? because if I wanted to get married to another guy, I cant, if i want to do drugs, I cant, If i wanted to watch porn on normal TV, i cant...

You may not understand what I mean, but it is 100% true. All of those things I mentioned are completley moral issues, and yet all of them are against the law. Therefore the majority is acting as my father, and all i have to say about that is: ****. that.