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Congressman omits \'Under God\' from pledge...
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2004, 03:38:25 PM »
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Mark my words, the next step is people crying rivers about "In God we Trust".


I believe that is already an issue.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2004, 03:41:23 PM »
I really don\'t see why it bothers people... If you have a problem with seeing it on your dollar bills, I\'ll gladly take them from you.
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2004, 04:08:35 PM »
Ok to make it simple... Eisenhower added the words to the pledge of allegiance.  Should the words stay??  I would say yes because I am a traditionalist.
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2004, 04:11:53 PM »
Yeah I knew about that. Eisenhower was the man.
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2004, 04:19:37 PM »
The thing is not every American believes in God.  Imagine visiting China and your kids are forced to say "one nation under Buddha" everyday during school.

I don\'t think they should change the pledge though.  Either say it or don\'t.

Out of curiosity do other countries have a similar pledge of allegiance the kids say every morning at school?
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2004, 04:22:13 PM »
Meh... \'God\' can be whatever entity they want though...
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2004, 04:34:59 PM »
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Originally posted by mm
wrong?

cold war didnt peak untill the mid 70\'s to late 80\'s
Oh man, I just can\'t let that stand.  :laughing: You have a problem with admitting when you\'re wrong don\'t you?  :p  I guess we already knew that.

This is the weakest display of backpedaling I\'ve seen around here in a long time.  You said "the words \'under god\' were added way, way before the cold war"

You did not say "way before the peak of the cold war"

Don\'t bother trying to argue that the Cold War had not started by 1954.  Lol.  :laughing:
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2004, 04:37:42 PM »
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Meh... \'God\' can be whatever entity they want though...
To repeat THX:  "The thing is not every American believes in God."  This is in case you didn\'t read it.  Just a public service.  :)
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2004, 05:34:26 PM »
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Meh... \'God\' can be whatever entity they want though...


But I don\'t believe in God. Why should I have to say it when I pledge? I just chose to leave it out, since I don\'t believe it should be in there. Now, In God We Trust on the money is more traditional and I think we should keep it. Why? Because this country was founded because of religious persecution. Religion is what founded this country. So by saying "In God We Trust" on our money, it shows our proud heritage. (wow, that was a lot of BS wasn\'t it?). I guess its kind of hypocritical of me isn\'t it? If its taken out, fine if not, it doesn\'t bother me. The pledge though kind of bothers me.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2004, 06:10:33 PM »
Overall, I couldn\'t really care less to be honest. The only thing about this situation is this guy is representing a large body. Say what you want, but I\'m keeping God in my pledge of allegiance.
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2004, 06:42:36 PM »
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Oh man, I just can\'t let that stand.  :laughing: You have a problem with admitting when you\'re wrong don\'t you?  :p  I guess we already knew that.

This is the weakest display of backpedaling I\'ve seen around here in a long time.  You said "the words \'under god\' were added way, way before the cold war"

You did not say "way before the peak of the cold war"

Don\'t bother trying to argue that the Cold War had not started by 1954.  Lol.  :laughing:


Coredweller really nailed mm there.   :dance:
how about it, let Cored be mod....:laughing:

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Now, In God We Trust on the money is more traditional and I think we should keep it. Why? Because this country was founded because of religious persecution. Religion is what founded this country. So by saying "In God We Trust" on our money, it shows our proud heritage. (wow, that was a lot of BS wasn\'t it?).


LOL!:laughing:
I don\'t often have this many laugh for one day...
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2004, 07:34:16 PM »
If it is a typical requirement to say the pledge of allegiance in the house of representatives, whoever has the duty of reciting the pledge should read it as designed. They should not rewrite the pledge to suit their politics. If they have a problem with something in the pledge they should focus their attention on removing it as opposed to performing meaningless and attention whoring actions.

How would this guy feel if someone stepped in front of the house and said "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the corporate owned states of america"?

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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2004, 03:33:21 AM »
....sigh

americans weren\'t afraid of the "pinkos" untill 1962 at the earliest

and it took alot more than "under god" to make them feel secure

twice now, you\'ve failed to prove me wrong, just pointed out that you think i am

please core, i\'m not here to educate you
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2004, 04:35:52 AM »
Actually, the US was afraid of the "pinkos" much earlier.  In 1953 the McCarthy Hearings were in full swing as the country backed him and his misguided effort to root out communism in American Society.

Speaking of the McCarthy Hearings in 1953-54 it is no coincidence that the pledge was amended in 1954...

"The "under God" phrase was added to the pledge in 1954 -- signed into law by President Eisenhower -- when the nation wanted to further distinguish the difference between itself and godless Communism."

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/062802/opi_eb.shtml

One could also argue that the Cold War intensified when the USSR exploded its first Atomic Bomb on August 29, 1949.
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2004, 06:23:23 AM »
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....sigh

americans weren\'t afraid of the "pinkos" untill 1962 at the earliest

and it took alot more than "under god" to make them feel secure

twice now, you\'ve failed to prove me wrong, just pointed out that you think i am

please core, i\'m not here to educate you
The issue is not "when the peak was" or when Americans became fearful of communism.  You didn\'t put that in your original post.  You added it later after it was revealed that your original statement was wrong.  Based on your original statement, before I educated you, you\'ve been proven wrong.  

Perhaps you should browse a history book, then you\'d learn some of the things that Giga included in his post.  :)  You can try to cloud the issue, but none of this would be necessary if you\'d just admit that you were wrong.  

Have a nice day.  :)
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