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Congressman omits \'Under God\' from pledge...
« on: April 28, 2004, 12:45:21 PM »
http://washingtontimes.com/national...05435-1862r.htm

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McDermott omits \'God\' from Pledge
By Amy Fagan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published April 28, 2004
Rep. Jim McDermott, Washington Democrat, yesterday did not say the words "under God" as he led the House in its daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.

Rep. Pete Sessions, Texas Republican, accused Mr. McDermott of "embarrassing the House" and proving that "he and those like him stand more for the liberal left than they do for our friends and neighbors."

"The liberal wing of the Democrat Party launched yet another salvo today in its ongoing battle to drive a wedge between Americans and the values and ideals we hold dear," Mr. Sessions said in a statement last night.
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he House has overwhelmingly approved two resolutions expressing outrage at the June 2002 decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that it is unconstitutional to have schoolchildren recite the Pledge in class because it includes the words "under God."

Mr. McDermott was one of seven Democrats who voted against a March 2003 House resolution -- approved 400-7 -- that condemned the 9th Circuit decision as inconsistent with the Supreme Court\'s interpretation of the First Amendment. The House passed a similar resolution, 416-2 in June 2002, immediately after the court\'s decision, and Mr. McDermott joined 10 Democrats in voting "present."

"Congressman McDermott already knew that he had a problem with the words \'under God,\' based on two votes he cast. The question is why he put himself in the position of embarrassing the House in this way," Mr. Sessions said.
When asked about yesterday\'s Pledge incident, Mr. McDermott\'s spokesman, Mike DeCesare, said his boss "hesitated, unsure of what he should do because the words \'under God\' are under court review." Mr. DeCesare confirmed that his boss did omit the words.

The Supreme Court heard arguments in March over whether to uphold the 9th Circuit\'s Pledge decision.
Mr. Sessions made a procedural inquiry on the House floor last night to confirm that current law lists the words "under God" as part of the Pledge and the official House record from yesterday will reflect that version of the Pledge -- and not what Mr. McDermott said.

Robin Scullin, spokeswoman for C-SPAN, said the producer who covers the House floor heard Mr. McDermott\'s altered Pledge recitation yesterday and alerted the main C-SPAN office.
Miss Scullin said C-SPAN, which telecasts House coverage from gavel to gavel, did not receive any calls from viewers about it, but the network\'s "Washington Journal" show put in a request for Mr. McDermott to explain on this morning\'s program why he omitted the words.

The House has been reciting the Pledge every morning since 1988, alternating between members of both parties to lead it, according to a C-SPAN Web site discussion on the topic. Recitation of the Pledge is listed in the official House rules as the third action in the daily order of business.
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Personally I think this is pathetic.

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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2004, 12:46:44 PM »
So whats wrong with Separating CHURCH & STATE ?

Mr Bush would find things easier if he just would.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2004, 12:53:18 PM »
First off, tradition is tradition. This isn\'t an issue of church and state, its about another typical liberal trying to set a few sparks off. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, and pretty much everything this country\'s government\'s foundation is riddled with references of \'God\'. This is just ridiculous, if I ever hear somebody recite the pledge and go:

"... and to the republic for which it stands, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

I am punching them in the face.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2004, 01:40:17 PM »
Here in Texas we have to pledge to the Texas flag after the US flag. I have more of a problem with that than anything. I personally don\'t give a **** if those two words left the pledge.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2004, 01:55:44 PM »
Yeah but who is he to choose how he wants to say it?

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2004, 01:58:28 PM »
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This is just ridiculous, if I ever hear somebody recite the pledge and go:

"... and to the republic for which it stands, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

I am punching them in the face.


I dare you to do that to me and you will not get away with this.  I am neutral about leaving the words in or out.  But if I have to pick, I go with the words left out, and if you punch people just because of that...just show how much intolerance have you on others and how obnoxious you can be.  Not to mention that you think you are better than other because of your religion....

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2004, 02:13:01 PM »
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This is just ridiculous, if I ever hear somebody recite the pledge and go:

"... and to the republic for which it stands, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

I am punching them in the face.
How about if I say "One Nation, Above SATAN, With Liberty and Justice For All."  Would that be ok with you?  You\'re not telling me that I can\'t worship the Devil, are you?  :laughing:
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2004, 02:18:19 PM »
Dont know if its right but.......I heard that the governmet didnt put the words "under god" until the cold war. Everybody was afraid of communism spreading that they said "lets show those godless commies" and put it in pledge or made the pledge, I forgot.
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2004, 02:22:45 PM »
I am for getting rid of all God references from anything political. I am tired of hearing about it. Take my God out of the politicians hands so they can get back to more important things like figuring out how to tax me into the poor house.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2004, 02:24:49 PM »
the words "under god" were added way, way before the cold war
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 02:47:03 PM »
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"... and to the republic for which it stands, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

I am punching them in the face.


If I do say the pledge (I\'m just jaded from saying it now. I said it every day for 10 years, I just don\'t want to say it anymore.), I do not say "under God". What are you gonna do? You going to force me to say it? I say take it out. "Under God" should not be in it. It never was in the pledge that Washington created. It was added. You want tradition? Then take it out. It was recited for like 150 years before they added it.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 02:56:00 PM »
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the words "under god" were added way, way before the cold war
Wrong.  :)

The Pledge dates from around 1892 when it was written by Francis Bellamy.  (Not George Washington, sorry Titan.)

"Under God" was added to the pledge in 1954.

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

"Under God" was officially changed to "Underpants" by Coredweller in 1978.  :D
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2004, 02:58:36 PM »
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The Pledge dates from around 1892 when it was written by Francis Bellamy.  (Not George Washington, sorry Titan.)


Whatever. Thanks for correcting me though. I thought I heard in history class a few years back that Washington made the pledge. Bah, what do teachers know. My points the same though. It never was in there nor should it remain.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2004, 03:36:02 PM »
wrong?

cold war didnt peak untill the mid 70\'s to late 80\'s
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2004, 03:37:06 PM »
I\'m going to be punching a lot of people in their faces...

And you\'re all missing my point. Do you seriously think this guy was trying to stand up for a belief, or simply trying to instigate a debate similiar to the one here?

Mark my words, the next step is people crying rivers about "In God we Trust".

 

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