Congressman omits \'Under God\' from pledge...

Originally posted by Coredweller
The issue is not "when the peak was" or when Americans became fearful of communism.  You didn\'t put that in your original post.  You added it later after it was revealed that your original statement was wrong.  Based on your original statement, before I educated you, you\'ve been proven wrong.  

Perhaps you should browse a history book, then you\'d learn some of the things that Giga included in his post.    You can try to cloud the issue, but none of this would be necessary if you\'d just admit that you were wrong.  

Have a nice day.  

he shoots, he scores!

I feel that there is nothing wrong with using the term "God" in the pledge of allegiance, on our currency or when swearing in an official.  It part of tradition and ceremony.  Our fouding fathers made many references to God and The Creator so why should we ban it in such superficial things as these?

If the government or elected officials were using God or religion in making policy decisions (as the Republicans try to do on abortion), I would definitely be opposed to it.  The fact is most American\'s do believe in God and how can one honestly be offended at the mere word?  

The nine Democrats who voted "present" on the condemnation of the 9th Circuit Court ruling (James McDermott was one of them) don\'t help the image of the Democratic Party with mainstream America.  It is instances like these in this post that portray the Democratic Party as being governed by liberal left wing fanatics.

Originally posted by SwifDi
This is just ridiculous, if I ever hear somebody recite the pledge and go:

"... and to the republic for which it stands, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

I am punching them in the face.

I\'ll get over them speaking of "god", the real problem is bible thumpers like this.  Today I saw a bumper sticker that said, "Real men follow jesus".  BLAH

Man... I love Christian bumper stickers... Nothing is better than:

"WARNING! In case of rapture, this car will be unmanned!"

Seperation of church and state is a good idea.

Take god off of money, and take god out of my state sponsored school in the morning.

If you want god, go to a private school

I seriously cannot understand how anyone could argue that it SHOULD be said in public schools.

I do not believe in any god, and I do not want something i do not believe in to partially represent the country I live in, ESPECIALLY when the constitution agrees with me.

Nobody is forcing anybody to say it.  Why this is such a big issue is beyond me.  If a teacher is forcing a student to say it in school, then that\'s another issue altogther.

Maybe if they knew what kind of debate this was going to start our founding fathers wouldn\'t have been so ambigious.  How can one say that Christianity has no role to play in this country?  Maybe not at the governmental level, but it was founded upon those ideals and principles.

You may not believe in God, but you are in the minority.  I may feel "faith based initiatives" are a waste of time and money, but I am in the minority also.  Arguing over two words in a pledge and "In God We Trust" on our currency is looking at the small picture.

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we\'ve been sayin it for years on end...why make a big fiasco out of it?...people need to stop being so f**kin\' sensitive...there are way more important issues at hand..

...like renaming french fries

Originally posted by SwifDi
First off, tradition is tradition. This isn\'t an issue of church and state, its about another typical liberal trying to set a few sparks off. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, and pretty much everything this country\'s government\'s foundation is riddled with references of \'God\'. This is just ridiculous, if I ever hear somebody recite the pledge and go:

"... and to the republic for which it stands, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

I am punching them in the face.

The unlikely event that we would meet, I would do it just so you could "punch me in the face" and you get beat up by a woman.

In no way is that pathethic except for your message of violence because some choose to actually attempt to seperate church and state as it is supposed to be.

What are you about 15-16?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I feel that there is nothing wrong with using the term "God" in the pledge of allegiance, on our currency or when swearing in an official.  It part of tradition and ceremony.  Our fouding fathers made many references to God and The Creator so why should we ban it in such superficial things as these?

If the government or elected officials were using God or religion in making policy decisions (as the Republicans try to do on abortion), I would definitely be opposed to it.  The fact is most American\'s do believe in God and how can one honestly be offended at the mere word?  

The nine Democrats who voted "present" on the condemnation of the 9th Circuit Court ruling (James McDermott was one of them) don\'t help the image of the Democratic Party with mainstream America.  It is instances like these in this post that portray the Democratic Party as being governed by liberal left wing fanatics.

As opposed to the conservative right wing fanatic that is currently running our country into the ground?

If I was in charge, I\'d rip "god" out of everything political and move on.  Once it\'s gone, no one will miss it and we could get back to looking at other important things like, say, those dead Americans in Saudi Arabia.

Besides, kids don\'t have to say the pledge during school if they don\'t want to, and they can drop words like "under god," too.

The whole debate is just silly.

-Dan

[Titan]

Originally posted by TSina
The unlikely event that we would meet, I would do it just so you could "punch me in the face" and you get beat up by a woman.

In no way is that pathethic except for your message of violence because some choose to actually attempt to seperate church and state as it is supposed to be.

What are you about 15-16?

He\'s older than me. Turning 18, right swif?

I keep flip flopping on this under god issue. As of right now, I\'d just take it out and say to hell with it and move on (talking about money and stuff like that too).

Originally posted by TSina
As opposed to the conservative right wing fanatic that is currently running our country into the ground?

The lesser of 2 evils IMO is Bush.  I would hardly call him a "fantatic" as well.   Conservative yes, fanatic no.  Listening to too much of that liberal media have we?

The ones who perform gay marriages with no legal authority to do so are symptoms of the what is wrong with the left wing in this country.  I am not going to debate gay marriage, but a mayor certainly has no right to "interpret" the law to fit his own agenda.

Originally posted by Titan
He\'s older than me. Turning 18, right swif?

I keep flip flopping on this under god issue. As of right now, I\'d just take it out and say to hell with it and move on (talking about money and stuff like that too).

Damn that\'s sad that he is turning 18.
It\'s not that I am Mother *-Teresa-* or anything as I do think violence is acceptable at many times, but just because you dont like what someone said...or in this case, didnt say. That is just flat out retardly stupid. He has alot to learn before he goes off to college, if he does.

Flip flopping ehh? Maybe you are a liberal indeedy, like John Kerry\'s flip flopping self.