"Under God" turned Personal Freedoms thread

Being Jewish for most isn\'t a choice.  Some consider them a race - however misguided that may be.

However obliged one might feel to continue in Judiasm, it is still a choice...

And yes I agree, I hate when people think jewish people are a race. Yes a lot of them share a common ethnic background, but if convert to judiasm, that sorta disproves that right then and there....

Hey look, we agree on something, thats good. :P

Anytime...I just hate the narrowed minded views some have when it comes to vehemetly trying to prove what they believe/wish to be correct.

Let\'s try it this way. He is not saying that Hitler and Drugs are exactly the same. He is not saying that being jewish and doing drugs is exactly the same. He is trying to show the similarities the two instances show....

...IE being jewish was quite unpopular/hated and it was ignorantly abolished from Germany. Drugs for the most part are unpopular to an extent and has also been ignorantly banned from the US.

Does anyone REALLY know why cocaine was banned in the US? I\'ll start you on the right path..it wasn\'t because it was bad for your health.

Two things:

Jews have been the target of centurys of discrimination. Drug users have been considered criminals for most of modern time.

Huh?  That isn\'t a similarity and the following isn\'t a difference.

You can be jewish now and not go to jail.

What are you implying by that?  There are drug users that don\'t go to jail.  Actually, there are a lot of drug users who don\'t go to jail.

Jews have been the target of centurys of discrimination. Drug users have been considered criminals for most of modern time.

Huh? That isn\'t a similarity

Umm.. yes it is. Both are groups and both have been against the law.

You can be jewish now and not go to jail.

What are you implying by that? There are drug users that don\'t go to jail. Actually, there are a lot of drug users who don\'t go to jail.

To rephrase myself, I meant: There are laws against drugs, but no laws against judiasm. <-- and thats not too important for this topic, so dont focus yer attention there.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Two things:

Jews have been the target of centurys of discrimination. Drug users have been considered criminals for most of modern time.

Huh?  That isn\'t a similarity and the following isn\'t a difference.

You can be jewish now and not go to jail.

What are you implying by that?  There are drug users that don\'t go to jail.  Actually, there are a lot of drug users who don\'t go to jail.

I\'m so glad you wanted to open your mouth again.

The length of time what has been what is not the point. No one is arguing what similarities the two don\'t share. Stop splitting hairs.

Just like it isn\'t "illegal" to be jewish NOW..it WASN\'T ALWAYS illegal to do drugs.

Once again I have to ask you to stop splitting hairs.

[Titan]

I still fail to see why jews are discriminated against. I\'m friends with a bunch and they are the nicest and really fun to be around.

The same reason anyone else is discriminated against?

Stereotypes, stagnent education, and traditional hatred.

Please Tsina get an education... really... you are mixing apples and oranges.  I think I am waiting in vain for you to make a valid point.  I wasn\'t aware it was ever "illegal" to be "jewish", rather it was bad luck if you lived in occupied Europe during WW2.    

I think Hamster has been sampling too much of the product personally...

Im pretty sure when someone gets put to death for being jewish we can consider it against the law.

Edit: let me direct this somewhere, im tired of arguing every little detail. Let\'s get to the main point.

WE agree that judiasm is a choice.
Doing drugs is also a choice.

The government says: Drugs bad, judiasm good.

A good percentage of people like drugs and use them without over-using them, so no health problems.

So, therefore, isn\'t the government discrimminating against someones choice, even if their choice is LOGICAL and well thought out?

Exactly, and if I am not mistaken, It was infact illegal to be Jewish or practice Judaism in Germany during those times.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
A good percentage of people like drugs and use them without over-using them, so no health problems.

It\'s less of a matter of them hurting themselves as opposed to hurting others.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Im pretty sure when someone gets put to death for being jewish we can consider it against the law.

Edit: let me direct this somewhere, im tired of arguing every little detail. Let\'s get to the main point.

WE agree that judiasm is a choice.
Doing drugs is also a choice.

The government says: Drugs bad, judiasm good.

A good percentage of people like drugs and use them without over-using them, so no health problems.

So, therefore, isn\'t the government discrimminating against someones choice, even if their choice is LOGICAL and well thought out?

No genocide goes beyond labeling something illegal.  You equating "drugs with a logical choice" is the highlight of your argument. :rolleyes:   You picked a bad analogy to begin with and this thread is not a drug debate thread so I suggest you move on with the topic at hand.

Originally posted by TSina
Exactly, and if I am not mistaken, It was infact illegal to be Jewish or practice Judaism in Germany during those times.

There is a difference.  You can not make being Jewish illegal as the German\'s did as they considered being Jewish a matter of race.  Practicing Judaism on the other hand can be "made illegal" if a country so decides.  Like I said... make a valid point please - this is NOT a drug debate thread.

No genocide goes beyond labeling something illegal. You equating "drugs with a logical choice" is the highlight of your argument.  You picked a bad analogy to begin with and this thread is not a drug debate thread so I suggest you move on with the topic at hand.

Genocide IS making something illegal, it may be an extreme case, but that doesn\'t change what it is doing.

There is a difference. You can not make being Jewish illegal as the German\'s did as they considered being Jewish a matter of race. Practicing Judaism on the other hand can be "made illegal" if a country so decides. Like I said... make a valid point please - this is NOT a drug debate thread.

Your right, this thread isn\'t for drug debating, or debating of how a government should be able to limit individual choice.

But it is about church/state. I can relate this back to that, dont you worry.

Government limits individual choice based on universal religious values that apply to a majority of the major religions.

Im sorry, but im not in that majority, And I think I should be allowed my freedom from the governments religiously-moral influenced laws.