"Under God" turned Personal Freedoms thread

Originally posted by Phil
It\'s less of a matter of them hurting themselves as opposed to hurting others.

In what instance. Being under the influence and getting behind the wheel of a car?

Just like perscription drugs, or possibly alcohol? Doing either, which are both legal have the same and similar effects as driving while under the influence of illegal drugs.

As a whole, doing illegal OR legal drugs have the same effects when you anti-drug people try to rationalize why they should stay illegal.

As long as anyone on any drug doesn\'t hurt anyone we are all ok, if those ppl don\'t, we already have laws in place to take care of them.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
There is a difference.  You can not make being Jewish illegal as the German\'s did as they considered being Jewish a matter of race.  Practicing Judaism on the other hand can be "made illegal" if a country so decides.  Like I said... make a valid point please - this is NOT a drug debate thread.

That is what was done.

Again, that is what was done as I stated.

I made a valid point, Im sorry it doesnt live up to your standards.

I didn\'t make it one, only those responding correct, including yourself.

Obviously people would be held accountable for their actions while using drugs.

Edit: this was in response too phil.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Genocide IS making something illegal, it may be an extreme case, but that doesn\'t change what it is doing.



Your right, this thread isn\'t for drug debating, or debating of how a government should be able to limit individual choice.

But it is about church/state. I can relate this back to that, dont you worry.

Government limits individual choice based on universal religious values that apply to a majority of the major religions.

Im sorry, but im not in that majority, And I think I should be allowed my freedom from the governments religiously-moral influenced laws.

Genocide is not making something illegal - that is an oxymoron.  Genocide in itself is illegal so how is it make anything illegal?  

Please tell me where in the Bible it spells out that it prohibits the use of drugs and how this relates to our drug laws?

 Genocide is not making something illegal - that is an oxymoron. Genocide in itself is illegal so how is it make anything illegal?

Please tell me where in the Bible it spells out that it prohibits the use of drugs and how this relates to our drug laws?

from Biblequestions.org

"Drugs in general produce an euphoric and pseudo accelerated state of mind (this is why they are used). A common effect is a perceived state of well being. The Bible teaches we are to maintain a truly clear state of mind and avoid anything that interferes with this mental acumen (Tit. 2: 4, 6). Man does not need chemical help in effecting the unreal (cp. Prov. 14: 12, 15, 2 Cor. 13: 5)."

And dude, when you use genocide, you dont think of it as murdering people, so they wouldnt think of it as against the law. Just like our government doesn\'t think about "choice restrictions" as being illegal.

Just like our government doesn\'t think about "choice restrictions" as being illegal.

IE....pro-choice.....


gigashadow-which by what you ask of me is keeping it on topic since prochoice is always the center of a .gov/religion argument.

Or seperation thereof..........

If you say this is about the pledge..ok..but we can\'t argue that without bringing up seperation of church and state.

This is also not about disrespect towards you, but to prove a point. So please on\'t get power hungry on me if that is something you do. I\'m being completely honest and real about this.

Correct me if I\'m wrong, but aren\'t drugs linked to many other crimes in general? Imagine if you made drugs legal... acquiring them would be more convenient... the demand for it would be higher as people grew addicted... and people would become desperate for the drug and try to obtain it by any means possible.

Correct me if I\'m wrong, but aren\'t drugs linked to many other crimes in general? Imagine if you made drugs legal... acquiring them would be more convenient... the demand for it would be higher as people grew addicted... and people would become desperate for the drug and try to obtain it by any means possible.

Anything can be linked to crimes.  Alcohol is also involved a lot of crimes, and is adicting.

Not all people who use drugs become seriously addicted. Drugs themselves are not going to make you turn into a criminal.

Remember USA was founded by people who wanted to essentially separate church from state.

Many Christians (including myself) actually prefer separating church from state.  You can\'t legislate Christianity.  The idea is that we are supposed to have the choice whether or not to believe in God in the first place.

When the state gets involved in religious matters things can get real messy (split from Catholicism & Protestans).

Removing the 10 Commandments from court rooms:  don\'t care either way.  If I were in a Chinese courtroom with Bhuddist writings on the wall I wouldn\'t start protesting.   But if people want it removed though then so be it.

Removing "In God We Trust" from our money, same deal.  A little bit of heritage & tradition is lost that I would miss though.

Changing the pledge?  No I don\'t agree with that one.  Either say it how it\'s written or don\'t say it at all.  If a new one was made omitting God entirely that\'s fine.

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Originally posted by SwifDi
Correct me if I\'m wrong, but aren\'t drugs linked to many other crimes in general? Imagine if you made drugs legal... acquiring them would be more convenient... the demand for it would be higher as people grew addicted... and people would become desperate for the drug and try to obtain it by any means possible.

Just as the Hamster man said, a lot of crimes are caused by being drunk, yet that is legal. Why? You cannot just say that drugs cause crimes, therefor drugs should be illegal. It\'s a moot point , due to the fact our Goverment allows other things to be legal, yet those things are equally as "dangerous". You also can\'t say it is being done for our own good, as in our health, due to the fact people can still smoke, causing lung cancer in themselves and others. Not to mention long term drinking will kill your liver.

I set alcohol and drugs like heroine, cocaine, etc. on different levels. A crack addict is a bigger threat to society than an alcoholic.

How is a crack adict a threat to society? explain.

How is a crack adict a threat to society? explain.

A crack addict will do anything to satisfy their fix -- even kill you for their dealer if they wished it.  An alcoholic would not be so rash.

So we should ban additction?

But everything is addicting...

You\'re oversimplifying the situation.  There are different degrees of addictions and different types of addictions.  There is a difference between being hooked on something like caffeine, and crack.  Your body can handle withdrawal from caffeine, it can\'t handle withdrawal from crack, or any physically addicting drug for that matter.