"Under God" turned Personal Freedoms thread

Germany had a democracy, and the Nazis were able to win 39% of the political seats. And then Hitler was made chancellor.

Not to mention we were a democracy during our little slavery issues. Also during the time when women couldnt vote. Funny thing about that particular issue was that there were more men than women. So what was that about majority? Seeing how we were the majority and it took us forever to vote.

Majority/Minority shouldn\'t mean anything when going towards one side or another doesn\'t affect the latter.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Germany had a democracy, and the Nazis were able to win 39% of the political seats. And then Hitler was made chancellor.

That situation was much different from ours now.  As for slavery Tsina, I was speaking strictly on genocide.

Originally posted by TSina

Majority/Minority shouldn\'t mean anything when going towards one side or another doesn\'t affect the latter.

Well thats an opinion, you feel straights shouldn\'t have a say on gay marriage because the ruling doesn\'t affect them, but thats just your view.  Someone else such as Giga feels it does.  (No more gay marriage debate, and yes I am for same sex marriage, just was giving an example)

It\'s majority rule while protecting minority rights.  No more no less.  As long as what the majority wants doesn\'t infringe upon the minority rights, there isn\'t an arguement.

It\'s majority rule while protecting minority rights. No more no less. As long as what the majority wants doesn\'t infringe upon the minority rights, there isn\'t an arguement.

But it always has and always will infringe on minority rights, because even one person can be a minority.

Even limitated democracy can be changed by the majority. New laws can be passed that slowly infringe on things that are supposed to be garunteed in our democracy. i.e. the Patriot Act. Im not trying to argue for or against the Patriot Act, im just making a point that even limitations can be altered in democracy.

That situation was much different from ours now.

How so? Obviously there are Setting differences, year differences, but the way it happened is still the same.

My point is: The majority in Germany thought it was a good idea to take government sanctioned actions against German Jew\'s.

This is IMO a bad thing. The government chose to limit and slowly harm/seperate the Jewish community.

The same can be said for many cases in America. For example, Very long jail sentances are given to those who LIKE doing things that the MAJORITY considers against the law. The jews were targeted because they practiced a certain religion, People who like to do drugs are now targeted.

Also, look at the army... dont ask dont tell? I dont think youll see many straight men getting thrown out for saying they like to **** girls.

Anyways, if you have a problem with me relating this to the holocost, im sorry but there is a lot of relevance.

So let me get this straight, the government putting people in jail for using illegal substances is the same as a government which killed millions in a genocide.......right

Since when was doing drugs a right?  I like to see you find it in the constitution.  Let me save you the effort.  It isn\'t.  People\'s right to live a normal life is.  See the difference?  Don\'t be an idiot and do drugs and you\'re fine, ok?

In a way it is. Judiasm and Drugs can compare in every way except health risks.

Doing drugs isnt a right, but it should be. Im not ONLY supporting drugs here, it is just an example.

People who do drugs are normal, the term normal changes throughout time.
You and me have different views... why? Because you think it is your right to decide if someone else is normal or not.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster

Anyways, if you have a problem with me relating this to the holocost, im sorry but there is a lot of relevance.

I have no problem with you relating the two, I\'m not the one making an idiot of myself.

Neither is he. He is doing a good job distinguishing the difference, yet stating the relevance.

No, not really.

I have to agree - he isn\'t.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I have to agree - he isn\'t.

Bozco is one thing, but you couldn\'t see what time of day it was with a rolex, bi-focals, and someone telling you what time it was without trying to argue about it.

Germany = Democracy
German people = voted for nazi party
Nazi party = Anti-jewish

So therefore, Democracy itself, will always resemble the wishes of the majority in ANY country that uses it.

So, Democracy therefore does not in anyway ensure freedom, and can be very unstable when it comes to equality and freedom.


This is the last time im repeating myself, If you want to try and prove me wrong, go ahead. You can call me an idiot and do whatever you would like, but it won\'t make you look any more intelligent.

Now the differences between drug use and Judiasm? I didnt feel that this was neccecary earlier, but I guess I need to protect myself from further flames.

Similarities:

1. A person can choose to be jewish, just as a person can choose to do drugs.

2. Judiasm is seen as a way to be closer to god. Some drugs such as: Ketamine, DMT, LSD, etc are believed by some to have SPIRITUAL relevance.

3. Jews have been the target of centurys of discrimination. Drug users have been considered criminals for most of modern time.

4. Drugs can make people happy when they are depressed. Religion can make people happy when they are depressed.

Differences:

1. Judiasm does not in any case cause physical harm. Drugs can.

2.  You can be jewish now and not go to jail.


There are other obvious differences, none that seemed important. If you want to mention them go ahead.

Don\'t bother replying to this with any attempts to bash me or to disregaurd this argument. If you would like to have a mature discussion, go ahead.

And thank you Tsina.

Originally posted by TSina
Bozco is one thing, but you couldn\'t see what time of day it was with a rolex, bi-focals, and someone telling you what time it was without trying to argue about it.

Is that another attempt at an insult?  Keep it to the debate at hand.  Him comparing Judaism to drugs is a major stretch.

On a most basic levle of comparrison, I used both of those because both are a CHOICE.

A choice that has been frowned upon in different societys at different times.

But whatever, I foresee someone playing the "But drugs are bad for you!!" card soon anyway, It doesn\'t really matter if you get the example or not my main message is:

Choice.