US Soilder\'s from Abu Ghraib: ""It is a common thing to abuse prisoners,"

Originally posted by clips

it\'s ok to support the troops but it\'s not ok to blindly follow the pres..into a war that was not needed...numerous times he\'s back peddled from saddam having wmd\'s to wmd programs to having the ability to make them, then out of no-where we became liberators:rolleyes:...

I beg to differ - the war was needed and it was not about WMD.  He has backpeddled numerous times?  It was the CIA that made that claim of WMD and the President can only rely on the information he receives.  The war was about removing a dictator who did pose a threat to region.  Since most of the world\'s crude comes from that region and the industrialized nations rely on it so heavily, I do think it was important.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
You contradict yourself in saying you agree with me in your second sentence and then in your second paragraph you say you "don\'t agree or condone ANYTHING I stated in that first paragraph"  Are you on medication?

Our current situations abroad are in the best interest of this country.  Why not fight Islamic fundamentalists on their home territory as opposed to here?  Also something I find interesting... clips - has anyone else noticed the number of coordinated attacks on our soldiers has dropped since these "abuse" :rolleyes: stories have come out?  Of course nothing positive could come out of such terrible disgusting torture...  :rolleyes:

So much for facing the music... really - where are you guys when these people commit REAL human rights violations?

Actually, I  was on meds yesterday and drowsy as hell. I\'ve been sick for the last 2 days

I\'m also now used to just arguing with you.

I just re-read everything I wrote and some of it was kinda hard for me to read, I\'ll fix it soon.

I think you get what I was saying, but instead you choose to split hairs again.

Half or more of the fanatics we are fighting now, we wouldn\'t have had to fight unless we didn\'t invade Iraq. Did you think about that?

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I beg to differ - the war was needed and it was not about WMD.  He has backpeddled numerous times?  It was the CIA that made that claim of WMD and the President can only rely on the information he receives.  The war was about removing a dictator who did pose a threat to region.  Since most of the world\'s crude comes from that region and the industrialized nations rely on it so heavily, I do think it was important.

so you\'re sayin the pres didn\'t soley state this war on the fact that saddam had wmd\'s? i\'m surprised you\'re sayin this..from what you just stated above it seems like the u.s. went to war for the oil after all....the wmd factor was bush\'s main reason for invading iraq. it was almost as if he made iraq an imminent threat & it wasn\'t like iraq had the oil franchise on lock..there was the oil for food program that was bein enforced...now i know you are going to say even that program was corrupted..maybe it was but the fact still remains he wasn\'t keepin the oil to himself...

if saddam was a threat to anybody it was his own people...and if that\'s the way he runs his country so be it...

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I beg to differ - the war was needed and it was not about WMD.  He has backpeddled numerous times?  It was the CIA that made that claim of WMD and the President can only rely on the information he receives.  The war was about removing a dictator who did pose a threat to region.  Since most of the world\'s crude comes from that region and the industrialized nations rely on it so heavily, I do think it was important.

It wasn\'t needed at the time we went to war. We should have continued to focus of afghan. He has backpeddled. I know you support Bush with anything he does, but even you have to remember the things he said and abruptly changed.

CIA or not that gave him the info, he is our president, he needs to be damn sure of what is relayed is true or get better info gatherers out there. These are lives and billions of dollars he is playing with.

You are correct, it WAS about removing a dictator after WMD\'s was found to be basically a figment of their imaginations. Then after the dictator was removed. No it\'s about maintaining control. What will it be about next?

Just like I tell the people t hat say this was about oil. WHy do the prices continue to rise even though production of crude has been stepped up?

It would have been important if there was any real link to what was happening on our shores directly being tied to Iraq, but there wasn\'t untill after we set foot into Iraq. We didn\'t have to worry about this crazy cleric untill then. I dont remember his name ever being mentioned untill they wanted us out of that shithole.

Originally posted by clips
there was the oil for food program that was bein enforced...now i know you are going to say even that program was corrupted..maybe it was but the fact still remains he wasn\'t keepin the oil to himself...

if saddam was a threat to anybody it was his own people...and if that\'s the way he runs his country so be it...

Slow down gymshoe, oil for food has been corrupted shortly after it was started and they found away around it.

Even I have to agree with that one. sorry.

Saddam could run his country anyway he wants to short of invading people again as far as Im concerned. I wouldnt want anyone to come over here telling us our leader is no good for us. I have the option to try to over throw with the rest of the angry, or just leave.

Originally posted by TSina
It wasn\'t needed at the time we went to war. We should have continued to focus of afghan. He has backpeddled. I know you support Bush with anything he does, but even you have to remember the things he said and abruptly changed.

CIA or not that gave him the info, he is our president, he needs to be damn sure of what is relayed is true or get better info gatherers out there. These are lives and billions of dollars he is playing with.

You are correct, it WAS about removing a dictator after WMD\'s was found to be basically a figment of their imaginations. Then after the dictator was removed. No it\'s about maintaining control. What will it be about next?

Just like I tell the people t hat say this was about oil. WHy do the prices continue to rise even though production of crude has been stepped up?

It would have been important if there was any real link to what was happening on our shores directly being tied to Iraq, but there wasn\'t untill after we set foot into Iraq. We didn\'t have to worry about this crazy cleric untill then. I dont remember his name ever being mentioned untill they wanted us out of that shithole.

Do a search I never said it was about WMD\'s.

Also you rely on other people for information.  If you have ever been in a leadership position you would know this - I don\'t fault Bush for the CIA\'s mistake.  I didn\'t know that being omnipotent was a prerequisite for being President.  As for your claim that I support everything Bush says - you need to reread some of my posts.

That nutty cleric would have been around regardless whether it was in Iraq or in another Middle Eastern country.

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Originally posted by TSina
Slow down gymshoe, oil for food has been corrupted shortly after it was started and they found away around it.

Even I have to agree with that one. sorry.

Saddam could run his country anyway he wants to short of invading people again as far as Im concerned. I wouldnt want anyone to come over here telling us our leader is no good for us. I have the option to try to over throw with the rest of the angry, or just leave.

i know saddam used the food to feed only his immediate family & his soldiers...the point i was making is that oil was still coming out of iraq and that he wasn\'t keeping the oil to himself...oil was still being purchased by the civilized world...

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Do a search I never said it was about WMD\'s.

Also you rely on other people for information.  If you have ever been in a leadership position you would know this - I don\'t fault Bush for the CIA\'s mistake.  I didn\'t know that being omnipotent was a prerequisite for being President.  As for your claim that I support everything Bush says - you need to reread some of my posts.

That nutty cleric would have been around regardless whether it was in Iraq or in another Middle Eastern country.

exactly YOU didn\'t say it was about wmd\'s the pres did...even colin powell didn\'t agree with the findings at first..they just molded him into playing for the home team...

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Do a search I never said it was about WMD\'s.

Also you rely on other people for information.  If you have ever been in a leadership position you would know this - I don\'t fault Bush for the CIA\'s mistake.  I didn\'t know that being omnipotent was a prerequisite for being President.  As for your claim that I support everything Bush says - you need to reread some of my posts.

That nutty cleric would have been around regardless whether it was in Iraq or in another Middle Eastern country.

When I am in that position, I make sure to the best of my ability that said info is the correct info. I just don\'t see Bush doing that. I also didn\'t hear of too many heads rolling after said mis-information, which would also be a fault of Bush right? Nothing was done about this whether he thought it was the correct info or not.

That nutty cleric was also not a problem untill when? Untill we invaded Iraq to oust Saddam. He may have not liked the US, but he was a sleeping dog. I see plenty of dogs behind fences that look mean or are mean, I dont throw rocks at them or poke them with sticks.

Originally posted by clips
exactly YOU didn\'t say it was about wmd\'s the pres did...even colin powell didn\'t agree with the findings at first..they just molded him into playing for the home team...

But didn\'t you say I agreed with everything Bush said? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by TSina
WHen I am in that posistion, I make sure to the best of my ability that said info is the correct info. I just don\'t see Bush doing that. I also didn\'t here of too many heads rolling after said mis-information, which would also be a fault of Bush right? Nothing was done about this whether he thought it was the correct info or not.

That nutty cleric was also not a problem untill when? Untill we invaded Iraq to oust Saddam. He may have not liked the US, but he was a sleeping dog. I see plenty of dogs behind fences that look mean or are mean, I dont throw rocks at them or poke them with sticks.

The President isn\'t soley responsible for checking information and "punishing" those who provide incorrect data.  Congress also has the power to "make heads roll" - stop the blame game Tsina - your weak excuse for being on meds hasn\'t made your arguments any clearer.

Hindsight is always 20/20.  This cleric isn\'t nearly the threat you are making him out to be.  He has the support of a small percentage of Shiites.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
The President isn\'t soley responsible for checking information and "punishing" those who provide incorrect data.  Congress also has the power to "make heads roll" - stop the blame game Tsina - your weak excuse for being on meds hasn\'t made your arguments any clearer.

Hindsight is always 20/20.  This cleric isn\'t nearly the threat you are making him out to be.

His opinions or actions aren\'t seriously taken into consideration? No responsibility has been taken by anyone.

Im not on meds now anyway, that was yesterday. I won\'t be taking any untill later, thanx for your concern.

Thats what the bush people always say..hindsight..blah blah. Im not saying he is all at fault. But why hasnt any responsibility been taken?

Are you assuming Im making him into a big threat? He is however a threat at the moment. He wasnt a threat beforehand.

Originally posted by TSina
His opinions or actions aren\'t seriously taken into consideration? No responsibility has been taken by anyone.

Im not on meds now anyway, that was yesterday. I won\'t be taking any untill later, thanx for your concern.

Thats what the bush people always say..hindsight..blah blah. Im not saying he is all at fault. But why hasnt any responsibility been taken?

Are you assuming Im making him into a big threat? He is however a threat at the moment. He wasnt a threat beforehand.

Right - so why are you blaming Bush and not Congress as well?  The fact is you are exploiting what you already know and blaming a politician you don\'t like - don\'t try and pawn it off as only "Bush people".  John Kerry is the king of indecisiveness and irresponsiblity.  I suppose in hindsight he shouldn\'t have said he committed atrocities in Vietnam or thrown his medals away that are now strangely hanging in his DC office.  

Just think we will have four more years of Bush even if the people in West Palm beach can read a ballot this time around.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
But didn\'t you say I agreed with everything Bush said? :rolleyes:

that is classic giga right there! in your theme of speech it seems you find no faults with how the war has unraveled just ignore all the bad situations & support our troops...to make an accuasation (spell) with the threat of war..your info better be correct..how would you feel if russia stated "we know you have that star wars project..disarm it or else" those are strong words and just imagine how the people if iraq must have felt in the hours before the bombs dropped....

something like that will seriously work on your mental...if bush didn\'t believe saddam when he stated he didn\'t have wmd\'s he should have let the inspectors do their thing..even then if he didn\'t believe them they could always resort to all that image capturing from space that showed them moving the dreaded wmd\'s :rolleyes:

In all fairness, the inspectors weren\'t really doing shit.

If anything, they should have had HEAVY US armed support. I would have went for that, but without war.

I do agree with the satellite imagery though, but that also has downsides.

These satellites can cleary see a dime on the ground.

Yet if they are constantly moving things to places, sometimes under camo- covers, you really can\'t see anything anyway.