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« Reply #135 on: May 17, 2004, 02:50:55 PM »
I was just making an example of the fact that we judge others to be inhumane (we as a country btw, as in America) but yet we view it as humane to control people and tell them what to do in our own country, directly or indirectly.
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« Reply #136 on: May 17, 2004, 03:07:22 PM »
Thank you Mr. Vague.
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« Reply #137 on: May 17, 2004, 03:12:58 PM »
To be more clear, the majority in our country can dictate to everyone else what they can or can not do,  just because of the majoritys personall moral opinion, And I find that very inhumane.
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« Reply #138 on: May 17, 2004, 11:29:27 PM »
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where are the records of bergs company?

nick berg had started his own company called prometheus methods tower services. when searches were conducted in his state to find this company, they came up empty. you are not required to file for a business i.d. but usually, you cannot exist without one. there is absolutely no record of his company, either through state records, online, or anywhere else. he also worked on the radio tower at the very prison in the center of the abuse scandal, however his company name can not be found on the list of approved u.s. contractors.

last year, the media ran national news stories about israeli spies infiltrating the u.s. phone companies. many people were arrested and charged with spying for israel, although israel officially doesnt spy on the u.s..

""Israel does not spy on the United States of America." -- Mark Regev, a spokesman at the Israeli embassy in Washington

Prior to 9/11, the FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from the American taxpayer, $3+ billion a year. Over the years, American taxpayers have been required to send Israel more than four times what the US spent to go to the moon.

What Israel has done in return was to set up government subsidized telecommunications companies which operate here in the United States. One of these companies is Amdocs, which provides billing and directory assistance for 90% of the phone companies in the USA. Amdocs\' main computer center for billing is actually in Israel and allows those with access to do what intelligence agencies call "traffic analysis"; a picture of someone\'s activities based on a pattern of who they are calling and when. Another Israeli telecom company is Comverse Infosys, which subcontracts the installation of the automatic tapping equipment now built into every phone system in America. Comverse maintains its own connections to all this phone tapping equipment, insisting that it is for maintenance purposes only. However, Converse has been named as the most likely source for leaked information regarding telephone calls by law enforcement that derailed several investigations into not only espionage, but drug running as well. Yet another Israeli telecom company is Odigo, which provides the core message passing system for all the "Instant Message" services. Two hours before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, Odigo employees received a warning. Odigo has an office 2 blocks from the former location of the World Trade Towers.

Let us be clear here. There is nothing benign about Israel spying on the United States. When Jonathan Pollard stole our nuclear secrets (which your taxes paid to develop) and sent them to Israel, Israel did not hesitate to trade those secrets to the USSR in exchange for increased emigration quotas.

The implication of these facts is that the billions of our tax dollars sent to Israel (while women and children sleep in America\'s alleys and eat out of trash bins) have bought and paid for a monstrous phone tracking and phone tapping system that can eavesdrop on almost any phone call in America. Even the White House phones were open to such tapping by listening in on the other end outside the White House itself.

This actually happened. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton informed Monica Lewinsky that their phone sex conversations had been recorded. At the same time, Clinton ordered the FBI to cease the hunt for an Israeli mole known to be operating inside the White House itself!

So here we have a foreign nation able to listen in on most phones at will, using taps that cannot be found because they are built into the phone system itself, and willing to use the information gleaned from those calls to blackmail Americans into any desired course of action. This may well be what Ariel Sharon meant when he stated that the Jewish people control America.

That the information gleaned from these phone taps is being used to coerce the behavior of key individuals in the US Government and media is illustrated by the manner in which the government and the media have handled this scandal of the largest spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, and of phone taps on all of our phones. They are downplaying it. Actually, burying it is a better word.

Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site. Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web site and have never mentioned it again. CNN followed by "Orwellizing" their report of the two hour advance warning of the WTC attacks sent to Odigo employees. But far more telling is the admission made by a US Official in part one of the Fox News report that hard evidence existed linking the events of 9/11 not to Arab Muslims, but to some of the more than 200 Israeli spies arrested both before and after 9/11, but that this evidence had been CLASSIFIED.

Since then, any and all mention of the Israeli spy ring and phone tapping scandal has resulted in a barrage of shrill screams of "hate" and "anti-Semite", two well worn and frankly over used devices to try to silence discussion on any topic unfavorable to the nation which owns the spy ring in question.

The story of the uncovering of the largest spy ring ever discovered inside the United States should be the story of the century, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That this spy ring helped drug smugglers evade investigators should be a major scandal, if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people. That the spy ring includes companies able to track and tap into any phone in America, including the White House, should be a cause celebre\', if indeed the US media is looking out for the best interests of the American people.

But they are not. The media is trying to bury this story. They are spiking it, erasing it from their web sites in a chilling real-life Orwellian rewriting of history.

The actions of the US media are those of people trying to protect this spy ring and those that the spy ring worked for. The actions of the US media are those of traitors to the American people"

Sorry the link with this info has some serious shit on their site which would probably result in another ban.
here is one I can tho
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/18/224826.shtml

in war-torn iraq, the phone systems were entirely hardlined. saddam required it. hardlined systems are the easiest to bug, and saddam loved bugs. these systems were heavily damaged during the war and needed repair. nick berg was in the country helping to set up radio and cell phone com towers, transmitters, etc. nick berg was also jewish and had recently been to israel. this leads to the next question...



was nick berg possibly an israeli spy?

bergs family claims that the u.s. military held him for 13 days, yet the military denies this, and claims that the iraqi police detained him. the iraqi police, however, deny holding berg as well. what is clear, is that at some point, iraqi police suspected that he was an israeli spy (his passport contained an israeli stamp, and is widely regarded as a no-no in iraq.) when he was questioned, he was found to have an anti-semetic book and a quran. this does not make sense. remember, he was jewish. was nick berg trying to understand the religion of islam and the hatred of jews at the same time? were these books required reading material? this leads to the next question...

was nick berg playing both sides, and caught in a double cross?

the f.b.i. questioned berg in iraq at some point, up to three times reportedly, also suspecting that he was up to no good. they asked berg if he knew how to make pipe bombs, or if he had ever been in iran. after questioning, they offered him a flight home and released him. he turned down the offer for a flight home, saying he thought it might be too dangerous traveling to the airport, but when asked how he planned to leave iraq, he said that he was going to travel by land to kuwait. this particular stretch of road is a dangerous one, even for iraqis. it is a haven for thugs and kidnappers. a westerner in jeans, t-shirt and ball cap wouldnt get too far. surely he would have known this?

nick bergs father, michael berg and nick bergs company name are on a \'list\' at free-republic since 2003 as being enemies to the occupation of iraq, yet nick berg was a \'bush supporter\'. his father was not a supporter of the current administration, and has clearly made his position known on national news and radio broadcasts. he has stated that he blames the military for his sons death.

was there a deeper link between berg and 9/11 suspects?

nick berg had a connection with zacarias moussaoui, the only 9-11 suspect indicted by the the united states so far. nick berg let an individual on a bus use his email account and computer to send mail to various people, one of which was moussaoui, who then in turn, ended up with bergs email account password. strange. the f.b.i. thought so too, and questioned nick regarding his contacts. his name was known to the f.b.i. since as early as 2002.
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« Reply #139 on: May 17, 2004, 11:32:17 PM »
finally the video itself leads to many questions...
the white chair?
funny that such a chair is so famous these days. you might remember this chair featured in some of the iraqi abuse photos at abu ghraib prison. sure there are a million of these patio chairs in iraq, but it is worth noting.

the yellow walls?

the chair in itself might not seem like much, but how about the yellow walls behind berg, the same yellow walls in the iraqi prison that the u.s. military is now using, the same one at the center of the abuse scandal. remember, nick also worked on a radio tower here, and was supposedly detained here at some point. which leads to my next question...

the orange prison uniform?

why is berg in a prison uniform? this is the same uniform the u.s. military sticks on prisoners in iraq as well as down at the bay. do the insurgents shop at the same store as the americans? same chairs, same uniform. whats next? same soldiers?

the couch potato combatants?

in every video i have ever seen such as this, i can honestly say i have never seen a fat terrorist, not a foot-soldier at least. all of the men behind nick berg look out of shape, overweight and in some cases, even white. one of them is wearing sneakers.

strange accents and trouble reading the words?

the man in the center was having trouble reading the papers, and was constantly flipping them around. many muslims have said that their accents arent proper either. they sound neither iraqi or jordanian. some news agencies are reporting hearing russian for a brief moment. others say possibly iranian.

dead man walking?

this brings up another question. the man in the center is reported to be abu musab al-zarqawi. the video itself was entitled \'abu musab al-zarqawi slaughters an american\'. why would he name the video after himself, and then wear a mask? another potential problem is that the military and iraqi militants claim he was killed months ago in a bombing raid by u.s. warplanes. he was supposed to have an artificial leg, but he doesnt seem too handicapped in the berg video. this man is supposedly responsible for the madrid train bombings as well as the plot to kill up to 80,000 people in jordan. under normal circumstances i am happy to see terrorists die, especially when it involves u.s. warplanes, but if this man is dead, that is big trouble for someone.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/05/iraq/main604191.shtml

the man who cuts bergs throat is also wearing a gold ring on his right hand which no extremist would do. it is against the fundamentalists version of islam.

berg killed before the beheading?

finally, some are speculating that berg was already dead before his head was cut off. this may mor may not be true, no matter who did it. the tape is edited right when the beheading begins, and the timestamps are different, yet you do hear him screaming. a human head holds over a gallon of blood. when a heart is still pumping, the second someones throat was cut that severely, they would literally be spewing blood everywhere. we do not see this in the berg video. just a small amount of blood, on his shirt and the floor. the red carpet may hide some of this. either way, maybe the terrorists did kill him first, or maybe someone else did.

wag the dog?

the timing of this video release raises questions too. some reports even show that u.s. troops found his body on the 10th, yet the execution supposedly took place on the 11th. i support the united states, the troops and the president, but i do wonder...just what the **** is going on in iraq? whether it be mossad, c.i.a., f.b.i.
or just plain old insurgents, there is certainly more to the story than meets the eye.

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« Reply #140 on: May 18, 2004, 12:43:27 PM »
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just what the **** is going on in iraq? whether it be mossad, c.i.a., f.b.i.
or just plain old insurgents, there is certainly more to the story than meets the eye.


This part is very true I think.
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« Reply #141 on: May 18, 2004, 12:53:37 PM »
Yeah I saw that whole thing on another forum... it has some pictures with it - not gruesome or anything - just evidence to support these theories.
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« Reply #142 on: May 18, 2004, 07:07:04 PM »
I laughed at first, even when I first posted this last night, it was basically a sarcastic joke. the more I have been reading about this from all sources, Im fairly confident that something other than how it is portrayed happend.

What that is, I dont have the foggiest.
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« Reply #143 on: May 18, 2004, 09:35:40 PM »
A cover up? Never!  I won\'t say the Goverment done it, but I have seen the video and I can tell you, that video is altered somehow, there is no blood really and everyone knows, a live human, with a beheading like that, would bleed bad. His facial expressions also don\'t match up.

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« Reply #144 on: May 18, 2004, 09:41:19 PM »
One of the better posts I have read in a long time. It makes me think twice about it all atleast.

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finally the video itself leads to many questions...
the white chair?
funny that such a chair is so famous these days. you might remember this chair featured in some of the iraqi abuse photos at abu ghraib prison. sure there are a million of these patio chairs in iraq, but it is worth noting.

the yellow walls?

the chair in itself might not seem like much, but how about the yellow walls behind berg, the same yellow walls in the iraqi prison that the u.s. military is now using, the same one at the center of the abuse scandal. remember, nick also worked on a radio tower here, and was supposedly detained here at some point. which leads to my next question...

the orange prison uniform?

why is berg in a prison uniform? this is the same uniform the u.s. military sticks on prisoners in iraq as well as down at the bay. do the insurgents shop at the same store as the americans? same chairs, same uniform. whats next? same soldiers?

the couch potato combatants?

in every video i have ever seen such as this, i can honestly say i have never seen a fat terrorist, not a foot-soldier at least. all of the men behind nick berg look out of shape, overweight and in some cases, even white. one of them is wearing sneakers.

strange accents and trouble reading the words?

the man in the center was having trouble reading the papers, and was constantly flipping them around. many muslims have said that their accents arent proper either. they sound neither iraqi or jordanian. some news agencies are reporting hearing russian for a brief moment. others say possibly iranian.

dead man walking?

this brings up another question. the man in the center is reported to be abu musab al-zarqawi. the video itself was entitled \'abu musab al-zarqawi slaughters an american\'. why would he name the video after himself, and then wear a mask? another potential problem is that the military and iraqi militants claim he was killed months ago in a bombing raid by u.s. warplanes. he was supposed to have an artificial leg, but he doesnt seem too handicapped in the berg video. this man is supposedly responsible for the madrid train bombings as well as the plot to kill up to 80,000 people in jordan. under normal circumstances i am happy to see terrorists die, especially when it involves u.s. warplanes, but if this man is dead, that is big trouble for someone.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/05/iraq/main604191.shtml

the man who cuts bergs throat is also wearing a gold ring on his right hand which no extremist would do. it is against the fundamentalists version of islam.

berg killed before the beheading?

finally, some are speculating that berg was already dead before his head was cut off. this may mor may not be true, no matter who did it. the tape is edited right when the beheading begins, and the timestamps are different, yet you do hear him screaming. a human head holds over a gallon of blood. when a heart is still pumping, the second someones throat was cut that severely, they would literally be spewing blood everywhere. we do not see this in the berg video. just a small amount of blood, on his shirt and the floor. the red carpet may hide some of this. either way, maybe the terrorists did kill him first, or maybe someone else did.

wag the dog?

the timing of this video release raises questions too. some reports even show that u.s. troops found his body on the 10th, yet the execution supposedly took place on the 11th. i support the united states, the troops and the president, but i do wonder...just what the **** is going on in iraq? whether it be mossad, c.i.a., f.b.i.
or just plain old insurgents, there is certainly more to the story than meets the eye.

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« Reply #145 on: May 19, 2004, 12:05:24 AM »
Looks like more is comming up. Who knows how much truth is behind this.

\'Definitely a Cover-Up\'
Former Abu Ghraib Intel Staffer Says Army Involved in Scandal


(May 18) -- Dozens of soldiers — other than the seven military police reservists who have been charged — were involved in the abuse at Iraq\'s Abu Ghraib prison, and there is an effort under way in the Army to hide it, a key witness in the investigation told ABCNEWS.

"There\'s definitely a cover-up," the witness, Sgt. Samuel Provance, said. "People are either telling themselves or being told to be quiet."

Provance, 30, was part of the 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion stationed at Abu Ghraib last September. He spoke to ABCNEWS despite orders from his commanders not to.

"What I was surprised at was the silence," said Provance. "The collective silence by so many people that had to be involved, that had to have seen something or heard something."

Provance, now stationed in Germany, ran the top secret computer network used by military intelligence at the prison.

   
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He said that while he did not see the actual abuse take place, the interrogators with whom he worked freely admitted they directed the MPs\' rough treatment of prisoners.

"Anything [the MPs] were to do legally or otherwise, they were to take those commands from the interrogators," he said.

Top military officials have claimed the abuse seen in the photos at Abu Ghraib was limited to a few MPs, but Provance says the sexual humiliation of prisoners began as a technique ordered by the interrogators from military intelligence.

"One interrogator told me about how commonly the detainees were stripped naked, and in some occasions, wearing women\'s underwear," Provance said. "If it\'s your job to strip people naked, yell at them, scream at them, humiliate them, it\'s not going to be too hard to move from that to another level."

According to Provance, some of the physical abuse that took place at Abu Ghraib included U.S. soldiers "striking [prisoners] on the neck area somewhere and the person being knocked out. Then [the soldier] would go to the next detainee, who would be very fearful and voicing their fear, and the MP would calm him down and say, \'We\'re not going to do that. It\'s OK. Everything\'s fine,\' and then do the exact same thing to him."

Provance also described an incident when two drunken interrogators took a female Iraqi prisoner from her cell in the middle of the night and stripped her naked to the waist. The men were later restrained by another MP.

Pentagon Sanctions Investigation

Maj. Gen. George Fay, the Army\'s deputy chief of staff for intelligence, was assigned by the Pentagon to investigate the role of military intelligence in the abuse at the Iraq prison.

Fay started his probe on April 23, but Provance said when Fay interviewed him, the general seemed interested only in the military police, not the interrogators, and seemed to discourage him from testifying.

Provance said Fay threatened to take action against him for failing to report what he saw sooner, and the sergeant fears he will be ostracized for speaking out.

"I feel like I\'m being punished for being honest," Provance told ABCNEWS. "You know, it was almost as if I actually felt if all my statements were shredded and I said, like most everybody else, \'I didn\'t hear anything, I didn\'t see anything. I don\'t know what you\'re talking about,\' then my life would be just fine right now."

In response, Army officials said it is "routine procedure to advise military personnel under investigative review" not to comment.

The officials said, however, that Fay and the military were committed to an honest, in-depth investigation of what happened at the prison.

But Provance believes many involved may not be as forthcoming with information.

"I would say many people are probably hiding and wishing to God that this storm passes without them having to be investigated [or] personally looked at."

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« Reply #146 on: May 19, 2004, 12:07:16 AM »
wrong thread..my bad.
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« Reply #147 on: May 19, 2004, 03:43:10 AM »
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Giga, if we just left them alone they wouldnt bother us. This middle east vs. Western culture thing will never end.


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« Reply #148 on: May 19, 2004, 11:51:38 AM »
Once again, we can\'t change what they think of us by bombing them.
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« Reply #149 on: May 19, 2004, 12:16:11 PM »
I\'m sorry, I was not clear, changing their minds, the terrorists, is not an option. Killing them is the only answer.
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