No WMD\'s eh?

There are many ways he could have gone about it other than the way he did and still save face.  Arab "pride" may not be ignored, but Arab "lying" can not be ignored as well.

Problem is now, unless a hugh stash is found, it can be said in his trial that said chemicals/weapons arent his and were brought into the country by the insurgents.

Originally posted by luckee
Problem is now, unless a hugh stash is found, it can be said in his trial that said chemicals/weapons arent his and were brought into the country by the insurgents.

WMD\'s are the least of his worries if he is being tried by his own people.

Also, before anyone gets the idea that I made a stereotypical comment on Arabs... I would like to validate it by referring to this quote:

 Excerpted from the book:
ARAB-ISLAMIC POLITICAL CULTURE:
A Key Source to Understanding Arab Politics
And the Arab-Israeli Conflict
ACPR Publishers, 2003
.....
"This is a culture where rumors are an integral part of social activity, and they quickly become absolute truth that cannot be challenged. It has to do with exaggerations, flights of fancy, and especially, in a society that believes in conspiracies, a society wherein every date is important, that remembers everything and forgives nothing. This is a society wherein the lie is an essential component of behavior patterns, and lying is endorsed by religious sages. The famous Muslim theologian, al-Ghazzali, claimed that the lie is not wrong in itself. If the lie is the way to achieve good results, then it is permissible. It is necessary to lie when the truth might lead to unpleasant or undesired results. This is a society in which looking someone straight in the eye is forbidden, since it constitutes a challenge; there is also, for example, the prohibition to use the left hand, the dirty hand. Body language, like the manner of walking and the way of sitting, is very prominent. Indeed, the Arab personality is very diffuse from the structural and stratification standpoint."

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^^^that sounds like the u.s. gov\'t ....and to point out to my last post..the said newscaster stated that the stockpiles could have been from the 80\'s...i don\'t know how true that is..i haven\'t been really keepin up with it lately..all i\'ve been seein is this 911 commission crap..what another waste of time:rolleyes:

I agree that 9/11 commission has to be the biggest waste of our tax dollars.  It is a dog and pony show.

That quote isn\'t about a government it is about a society.  It is different for a government to lie - its expected.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent (search) exploded near a U.S. military convoy, but there were no casualties
 

call me a nitpicker but arent weapons of mass destiction supposed to cause destuction on a massive scale?

these arent wmds.  this is the US grasing at straws in a vain, desperate and quite frankly embarrasing attempt to redeem themselves internationally and before the national elections and to justify the original illegal invasion.

i for one will sleep better in my bed at night knowing that the west is safe and these two shells are safely disarmed.

damn, i forgot the sarcams tags.

Originally posted by Road Kill Recipies
call me a nitpicker but arent weapons of mass destiction supposed to cause destuction on a massive scale?

these arent wmds.  this is the US grasing at straws in a vain, desperate and quite frankly embarrasing attempt to redeem themselves internationally and before the national elections and to justify the original illegal invasion.

i for one will sleep better in my bed at night knowing that the west is safe and these two shells are safely disarmed.

damn, i forgot the sarcams tags.

So you are saying Sarin isn\'t a WMD?  Why don\'t you take a drop of it and put it on your arm and see what happens. :rolleyes:

Illegal invasion?  Just like the invasion of Kuwait over a decade ago?  As has been said in this thread before - the US government has been downplaying this event - it has been the media that has  been playing it up.  How can you think for one moment that those are the only two WMD\'s in the country?  If insurgents have no problem finding them - then there are more.

What is embarassing is the weakness and lack of resolve citizens... ahem... so called citizens of this country have shown every year since 9/11.

Damn, I wonder if this is Toxical spouting the same nonsense?

EDIT:  My mistake - it is not Toxical.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
So you are saying Sarin isn\'t a WMD?

i am saying a few hundred gallons would certainly constitute potential wmds...but you have to look at the facts of the situation, these were two small 15 year old shells from the Iran war that, when opened, caused little or no ill effects after treatement to thier  hapless victims...the Iraqi Authorities didnt know they were even there..

these two shells werent wmds.

Originally posted by GigaShadow

 How can you think for one moment that those are the only two WMD\'s in the country?  

youre confusing my post with someone elses...i didnt say that nor did i imply that...

Originally posted by GigaShadow

Damn, I wonder if this is Toxical spouting the same nonsense?

this is just plain confusing...what?

Originally posted by Road Kill Recipies
i am saying a few hundred gallons would certainly constitute potential wmds...but you have to look at the facts of the situation, these were two small 15 year old shells from the Iran war that, when opened, caused little or no ill effects after treatement to thier  hapless victims...the Iraqi Authorities didnt know they were even there..

these two shells werent wmds.

Interesting... I suppose one artillery shell able to to kill thousands isn\'t grand enough for you.  The intent of the IDE was only to blow up.  The insurgents who planted it probably had no idea what it was because they weren\'t the ones who created it.  One of the reasons it didn\'t cause more problems was because it was an artillery shell that is designed to mix chemical when it hits the ground - not when it is detonated from a stationary postion.
 

youre confusing my post with someone elses...i didnt say that nor did i imply that...

"these arent wmds. this is the US grasing at straws in a vain, desperate and quite frankly embarrasing attempt to redeem themselves internationally and before the national elections and to justify the original illegal invasion."

Am I confusing your post?  You hint at the fact that only 2 exist by saying how embarassing it is that they were found and reported.  The fact is they were found and more will be found.
 

this is just plain confusing...what?

We can play games if you like. :rolleyes:

To sum it up for you since you have hard time grasping the issue.  You clearly stated in your first post that the two items they found (Sarin artillery shell and the Mustard Gas shell were NOT WMD\'s.  You stated that you would need more of the chemical to qualify it as a WMD...  :rolleyes:  That shell alone could have killed thousands... not a WMD

Originally posted by GigaShadow
That shell alone could have killed thousands... not a WMD

thats highly unlikely considering its condidtion and as you say that its an artillery device...if the \'insurgents\' intended to cause mass destruction with it do you not think that they would have used the proper gun and fire it into an American position?

why did they not do that?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
We can play games if you like. :rolleyes:

To sum it up for you since you have hard time grasping the issue.  You clearly stated in your first post that the two items they found (Sarin artillery shell and the Mustard Gas shell were NOT WMD\'s.  You stated that you would need more of the chemical to qualify it as a WMD...  :rolleyes:  That shell alone could have killed thousands... not a WMD

So the ODD Sarin artillery shell which was prob\' left over from the first GULF war, was enough to go to war and invade a whole country ?

God... Giga... you need to realise that there is a BIG Difference between WMD production & the Infrastructure to support it.

 With this case... a 12 year old shell which was prusumed lost during the first gulf war and only recently found by the Insurgents.

Also i find it strange that your making a big deal about it.
might be because Bush\'s Approval rating is at a all time low ...ah yes soon the religous IDIOT will be out of power [/b]

over here all the experts agree that it was just a old shell they where lucky to find, and even the PRO blair experts agree when they say that.. the insurgents mistook it for a standard high explosive shell due to the way it was configured.


So like i have been saying since the "end" of the war...

NO WMD found yet ?

Originally posted by ooseven
So the ODD Sarin artillery shell which was prob\' left over from the first GULF war, was enough to go to war and invade a whole country ?

God... Giga... you need to realise that there is a BIG Difference between WMD production & the Infrastructure to support it.

 With this case... a 12 year old shell which was prusumed lost during the first gulf war and only recently found by the Insurgents.

Also i find it strange that your making a big deal about it.
might be because Bush\'s Approval rating is at a all time low ...ah yes soon the religous IDIOT will be out of power

over here all the experts agree that it was just a old shell they where lucky to find, and even the PRO blair experts agree when they say that.. the insurgents mistook it for a standard high explosive shell due to the way it was configured.


So like i have been saying since the "end" of the war...

NO WMD found yet ? [/B]

Did I ever say that was the reason we invaded the country?  I couldn\'t care less if they find 2 or 2,000.  I reported the news when it happened.  Also, the fact is - he shouldn\'t have had any WMD\'s and you know it.  Regardless of when it was made or what it was left over from - he was violating the truce agreement he signed at the end of the Gulf War by posessing it.

Did I also say the insurgents knew it was a WMD.  Hell, let the insurgents keep finding them - it saves us the work.

If you go on about me making a big deal about it - then the same can be said about your Skull and Bones post :rolleyes:

I don\'t see any overwhelming support for Kerry - who will do the exact same thing Bush is doing now in Iraq if he gets elected.  You forget, the Republicans will most likely still control the House and the Senate even if they lose the White House.  

Sometimes I wish the US would withdraw into isolationism and let all of the Euros fend for themselves.  Italy will soon breed itself out of existance with its .9 annual birthrate and the rest of you will soon by minorities in your own countries.

The old world dies and with it the old ways...

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Sometimes I wish the US would withdraw into isolationism and let all of the Euros fend for themselves.  Italy will soon breed itself out of existance with its .9 annual birthrate and the rest of you will soon by minorities in your own countries.

The old world dies and with it the old ways...

its ok Giag

we all know that if that where to happen ..the US would never be involved in any LARGE scale military action by herself without the aid of her Allies.

Strange you only took that policy after Vietnam...

I disagree... we are pretty much alone in Iraq - despite the UK presence which is very limited.  The US military has the ability to act independently in any situation.

The "coalition" in my eyes is farce.

Originally posted by GigaShadow

The "coalition" in my eyes is farce.

ahh..looks like we agree on something..

by its very definition the word \'coalition\' requires a group force...something that was very much missing in the initial pre-emptive miss, i mean strike on the opening move..