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Offline ooseven
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« Reply #60 on: May 18, 2004, 11:53:53 PM »
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BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent (search) exploded near a U.S. military convoy, but there were no casualties, the U.S. military said Monday.
 
"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt (search), the chief military spokesman in Iraq. "The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy.

"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html


So we went to War and invaded for one Shell...

Woooooppppppeeeeddddooooo :rolleyes:
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« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2004, 03:37:29 AM »
We also went to war for all the years that the resolutions were being ignored by everybody\'s pal saddam.

It\'s really useless trying to change minds over this so the end result has to be an victory and if we cut and run like so many want to do we are doomed!
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« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2004, 06:48:44 AM »
How do you define Victory?  This is the part I think most of us (myself included) don\'t understand and have never considered adequately.  I have no vision of what Iraq can be/should be after we\'re finished with it.  I have no idea of where we\'re going.  I suspect others don\'t either.  If we don\'t know our destination, how can we move toward it.

One might say that Iraq should become a peaceful democracy of America-loving consumers in a nation where corporations can obtain cheap labor, and market American entertainment products.  I would say that is IMPOSSIBLE.  So if not that, then what?  I just want to understand what the Bush team is aiming for.
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« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2004, 09:31:49 AM »
Victory? You\'re on crack. We have established nothing. We found one shell of WMD. We have lost plenty of our soliders. Yes, on one hand we took Saddam out, but Iraq is in WORSE shape than it ever was and the Iraqi people are in no position to control their country.


You may say Saddam was a monster, but he was better for that country than the US will ever dream of being. All we done was killed people and made it a chaotic mess.
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« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2004, 10:00:07 AM »
Crack, eh? You can fester in your own hatred for the the USA. When you can ask a question or make a comment without an insult I\'ll listen to you.
 

Core,

That\'s a good question. Victory to me would be a stable Iraq and one that can foster a democracy. I also think that the war on terror Will never end. 9/11 changed how we will live our lives forever.

I have to get back to work and I\'ll discuss more later.
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« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2004, 10:19:42 AM »
You have to be really foolish to think that there is only one shell of Sarin floating around that country.  They are like German cockroaches... when you see one you know there are a thousand more hiding somewhere close by ;)  Just look under that old stack of newspapers.
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« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2004, 11:05:40 AM »
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That\'s a good question. Victory to me would be a stable Iraq and one that can foster a democracy. I also think that the war on terror Will never end. 9/11 changed how we will live our lives forever.
 


What makes so called democracy so good and why do we have the rights to tell them how to live and run their goverment? No right what so ever. Fact is, democracy is failing for the USA and it isn\'t going to help the Iraqi\'s, espically when it\'s being forced upon them.

As for my crack comment - get your panties out of a bunch. It was a sarcastic comment. Or was you just using it to dodge a perfectly good question / comment?
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You have to be really foolish to think that there is only one shell of Sarin floating around that country.  They are like German cockroaches... when you see one you know there are a thousand more hiding somewhere close by   Just look under that old stack of newspapers.


 


One can assume that,  but you cannot go to war on the assumption of hidden WMD . Also, one can assume Saddam had them before we invaded. On the other hand, people can assume they have been brought into the country after the invasion... My point? We need more WMD, we need evidence they was Saddam\'s, before this can be called a so-called victory and justifed war for the Bush Adminstration.
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« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2004, 11:20:59 AM »
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One can assume that,  but you cannot go to war on the assumption of hidden WMD . Also, one can assume Saddam had them before we invaded. On the other hand, people can assume they have been brought into the country after the invasion... My point? We need more WMD, we need evidence they was Saddam\'s, before this can be called a so-called victory and justifed war for the Bush Adminstration.


Next time we should wait till they\'re used on us.
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« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2004, 11:38:43 AM »
They had them and didnt use them on us after we destroyed them the first time.
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« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2004, 11:42:03 AM »
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What makes so called democracy so good and why do we have the rights to tell them how to live and run their goverment? No right what so ever. Fact is, democracy is failing for the USA and it isn\'t going to help the Iraqi\'s, espically when it\'s being forced upon them.

What would be a safer bet to secure the peace, a democracy in the Middle East or the current situation?
And if this democracy that we have, which is not perfect, is failing, what would make it better?

As for my crack comment - get your panties out of a bunch. It was a sarcastic comment. Or was you just using it to dodge a perfectly good question / comment?
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I\'ll have you know, sir, that I do not where panties . . . not even on my head.

Oh, I tend to dismiss a comment or question when there is an insult attached to it. I guess I\'m just funny that way.

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« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2004, 09:07:30 AM »
read through everything so far..evrything i wanted to say somebody else said it already so i\'ll just say that this is np smoking gun by any means and it seems these as mentioned on the news that these shells were from before the gulf war....
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« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2004, 09:21:49 AM »
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read through everything so far..evrything i wanted to say somebody else said it already so i\'ll just say that this is np smoking gun by any means and it seems these as mentioned on the news that these shells were from before the gulf war....


He shouldn\'t have had them should he?
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« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2004, 09:28:18 AM »
There are certain administrative difficulties in tracking and properly disposing of every last shell in a country as disorganized and backward as Iraq.
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« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2004, 09:33:13 AM »
If that was the case why didn\'t he just say so?  He had the UN at his disposal in regards to getting rid of those things.
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« Reply #74 on: May 20, 2004, 09:53:46 AM »
Maybe he didn\'t say so because it would make his country look backwards and disorganized.  Arab pride is not to be ignored.
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