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Offline GigaShadow
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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2004, 01:29:49 PM »
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Naughty naughty mod boy. Can\'t say anything without insulting me, AGAIN?

I actually did catch the mention of mustard gas, but once again, no telling who the finger can be pointed at.

Did I accuse you of saying it was over WMD? Ok then..STFU

Just b/c you think I think I know everything doesnt mean so. Never have I stated so.


You haven\'t earned enough respect to join this "gentlemen\'s club" ;)
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2004, 01:51:05 PM »
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You haven\'t earned enough respect to join this "gentlemen\'s club" ;)
Forget that.  As far as I\'m concerned, she can post here as long as she wants.  "Gentlemen\'s clubs" are boring IMHO.  ;)

BTW

I wish everyone would stop trying to discredit the POSTER and focus on the points of the argument instead.  I\'m getting tired of reading things like "I guess I should expect that from a Canadian" or "You are so laughable..." You\'re ALL guilty of it, so just cut it out.  You can\'t make an argument less valid by saying the person who wrote it is not good enough to post it.  Just attack the points of the argument if you can.

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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2004, 01:54:25 PM »
Just food for thought.

We find a small amount of something how many months later and we assume it\'s been there all along and not brought to Iraq after the "war" was over? If you want to be naive, I guess you can just assume that it\'s WMD from Saddam\'s regime, but there is no proof of that. The chances are just as high, if not higher, than one of the many terrorist groups brought it in after the war.

However, as I expect, Giga belives its from Saddam\'s regime and he won\'t believe anything else.. Just like I\'m sure some people believe that the American goverment arranged the be-heading of the Amerncain civilian, just so that it makes the prisoner torture pictures look less harsh....Conspiracy theory\'s always make people blind to the most likely.
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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2004, 02:01:28 PM »
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Forget that.  As far as I\'m concerned, she can post here as long as she wants.  "Gentlemen\'s clubs" are boring IMHO.  ;)

BTW

I wish everyone would stop trying to discredit the POSTER and focus on the points of the argument instead.  I\'m getting tired of reading things like "I guess I should expect that from a Canadian" or "You are so laughable..." You\'re ALL guilty of it, so just cut it out.  You can\'t make an argument less valid by saying the person who wrote it is not good enough to post it.  Just attack the points of the argument if you can.

My .02


This is a debate forum... mild insults are just that... I wasn\'t offended by her posts and it does make the place a little more lively.  I don\'t mind it - this forum is more harsh than the others - it comes with the territory.

My change for your .02 ;)
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« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2004, 02:13:27 PM »
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This is a debate forum... mild insults are just that... I wasn\'t offended by her posts and it does make the place a little more lively.  I don\'t mind it - this forum is more harsh than the others - it comes with the territory.

My change for your .02 ;)
That\'s fine if it stays like that, but these tit-for-tat exchanges can spin out of control.  They always seem to escalate.  I would hate to see anyone stop posting because they were prodded into an unnecessarily emotional response.
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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2004, 03:09:16 PM »
If saddam had, or his forces had access to weapons like this, they would have used them in defence of baghdad, by trained military people who would have delivered them properly to try and do the most damage.  Everyone was expecting that.

They wouldn\'t hold onto this stuff for a year and then try and use it inneffectively later.  If it went out to syria, which is plausible (and means that there wasn\'t a development program for producing the stuff when they invaded - if they\'re getting rid of it), then it\'s just as likely that they\'re simply buying such things on the black market in countries around iraq.  Nobody likes to talk about it, but the US, Russia, China, and European countries make a lot of money selling military ordenance to small nations, and even if some of that ordinace gets used back against them, they\'re not going to cut of such a lucrative business.

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First of all Fatalexception dug himself a hole by quoting certain selections from a link without reading the entire thing.


I read the whole things, which is why it took a while for me to come back to that.  YOU need to look through them again, and do a google with some of the kewords of stolen military hardware weapons, etc.  You will be shocked at how many ORDINARY reservists and such are caught with "souvenir" rockets, grenades, mines, C4, etc etc.  It\'s actually kind of unreal.

You say I dug myself a hole, but there is no way to refute the truth, because it\'s an acknowledged problem in the US military, one they\'re trying to fix... but are having a heckuva time trying to keep track of their ordinance!

Look at the first quote/article again.  242 reported cases, over 150 were inside jobs by military personel - and they know there are many unreported cases out there.  Look at what\'s stolen: rockets, mines, grenades...

If you meant I dug a hole with the earlier article about WMD, hey, I read that too, then there are plenty of reasons they couldn\'t account for all the ordinance.. theft, mis-management of the books, shelf-life, improper disposal.  Lots of reasons that seem to me to be far more likely than some far reaching conspiracy to hide stockpiles of the stuff (which haven\'t been found).  At the end of the day, though there is that unnacounted for inventory - they still come out and say that there\'s no evidence of any active WMD programs in iraq, and they only mention his violation of trying to increase his delivery distance...
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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2004, 03:26:23 PM »
Did you or did you not say Saddam was allowed to have biological arsenal?
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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2004, 03:37:08 PM »
One chemical round rigged as an IED = ?  (Question Mark)
Hidden underground stockpile of Chemical Weapons = Smoking Gun

It\'s as simple as that.  Not time for crowing yet.  As soon as they find the latter, I\'ll be as pleased as you are.
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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2004, 03:39:31 PM »
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Did you or did you not say Saddam was allowed to have biological arsenal?


Did and I was wrong, I had my timeline too slow, he was supposed to be done with disposal after the first war, and apparantly, he was.  Got a way to refute anything but that one point?  They way I see it it\'s either time for you to keep ignoring it, or step up and admit your wrong about certain things.
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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2004, 04:31:54 PM »
Didn\'t read all the replies. I\'m replying on the news article. Good that they are finding WMDs. They have been finding things like this all over Iraq, especially empty chemical/biological warheads. They also find some stockpiles of older chemical weapons. We blow those things to hell though, which is why many cases go unreported (that and they are classified).
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2004, 04:44:20 PM »
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One chemical round rigged as an IED = ?  (Question Mark)
Hidden underground stockpile of Chemical Weapons = Smoking Gun

It\'s as simple as that.  Not time for crowing yet.  As soon as they find the latter, I\'ll be as pleased as you are.



Exactly. This could be summed up in the following situation.

A bunch of cops go to the worst GHETTO in hopes to find a mass amount of drugs. They don\'t find a mass amount, instead they find a couple joints and come out screaming.. "WE WAS RIGHT - HERE\'S THE DRUGS AND PROOF..." even though it\'s not the "smoking gun".

Of course the Bush Adminstration and Bush supporters, who are grasping at straws already on the WMD topic, will jump at this and tout this as the tip of an iceberg, when, in all reality, it\'s just a small amount of chemicals , most likely brought in by one of the many rebel groups.. Why do I say that? Because common sense dictates that if Saddam would of had these WMD, he would of used them when we invaded his country and toppled his regime. Then again, the Bush Adminstration and Bush supporters have never been known for their common sense or logical thinking.
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2004, 04:48:59 PM »
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Didn\'t read all the replies. I\'m replying on the news article. Good that they are finding WMDs. They have been finding things like this all over Iraq, especially empty chemical/biological warheads. They also find some stockpiles of older chemical weapons. We blow those things to hell though, which is why many cases go unreported (that and they are classified).


mmm... so you know about the unreported classified distruction of stockpiles of WMDs?  That\'s big news!  Do you have a link for that?  That would really settle this whole thread.
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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2004, 04:53:35 PM »
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mmm... so you know about the unreported classified distruction of stockpiles of WMDs?  That\'s big news!  Do you have a link for that?  That would really settle this whole thread.


I\'m just saying that there are things that go unreported. Our military doesn\'t need to tell the public what they do.
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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2004, 04:55:59 PM »
With the amount of press the entire WMD issue got before/during the war, you had better believe that if they found a stockpile of biological weapons, they would have camera crews there before they destroyed it, while they destroyed it, and every information source in the US would talk about it for days....  Bush would get a big approval rating boost from such a find.
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« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2004, 05:00:05 PM »
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I\'m just saying that there are things that go unreported. Our military doesn\'t need to tell the public what they do.


Can we put a big "DUH" on your forehead? Why you ask? Because the Bush Adminstration banked this whole war on the WMD . Do you think if they find the slighest thing they won\'t report it? That\'s stupid. It would be the first thing they report, for one simple reason, it\'s election time.

 

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