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Offline FatalXception
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2004, 09:48:59 AM »
Oh yeah.. forgot to put this in above:

hundreds of military items stolen, and in more than half the cases inside jobs...

Some quotes from that one:

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Since the 1991 Persian Gulf War, thousands of pounds of explosives, hundreds of mines, mortars, grenades and firearms and dozens of rockets and artillery rounds have been lost or stolen from U.S. stockpiles, government documents show.

(242 reported cases)

"There is no accountability of issue and turn-in," testified a soldier caught swiping a grenade during a training exercise at Fort Benning, Ga. His sergeant, the soldier said, turned a blind eye to thefts and told him, "Deny everything if questioned.

More than half of the roughly 150 thefts were inside jobs involving military personnel, National Guardsmen or civilian employees of the military, the documents show.
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If it\'s an inside job, they just cook the books," said Stephen Scheid, an intelligence research specialist for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Fort Lewis, in Washington, reported 10 thefts involving some 100 pounds of explosives. In one case, soldiers made off with six mines from a bunker and replaced them with 51 pounds of M-16 rifle ammunition. Paperwork was changed to cover up shortages, a corporal and a specialist told Army investigators.


read the reccomendations made about security of munitions (specifically class 1 missiles), because they\'re too easy to steal

The article talks about how theft is a problem.. but if it isn\'t terrorists stealing it.. who does?

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We did not find any documentation that terrorists or other extremists had stolen category I handheld missiles or rockets or category II grenades, mines, and explosives from DOD arsenals. Intelligence and DOD officials said that it is more likely that terrorists would seek handheld surface-to-air missiles or other munitions from sources other than DOD arsenals. International terrorist groups receive financial aid and other forms of assistance from several nations.6 The Secretary of State has determined that these countries have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism by supplying, training, supporting, or providing safehaven to known terrorists. Intelligence officials told us that there are a variety of places around the world for terrorists to obtain weapons. For example, several countries besides the United States, including Bulgaria, China, Egypt, France, Japan, Czech Republic, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Sweden, and the United Kingdom produce handheld surface-to-air missiles.7 Terrorists tend to favor small conventional weapons—handguns, rifles, grenades, machine guns, or explosives—because they can be easily transported and hidden from view. C-4 plastic explosives can be purchased from several countries. In addition, law enforcement officials told us that extremist groups have made their own C-4. Terrorists have used plastic explosives. For example, less than one pound of Semtex.


There are literally dozens of articles out there about how impossible it is for the military to be keeping track of it\'s trillions of dollars of inventory.  In this one they point out that a 1.3 million dollar battle tank was accidentaly donated to a private individual! - and it wasn\'t even demilitarized!
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2004, 09:53:02 AM »
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Oh yeah.. forgot to put this in above:

hundreds of military items stolen, and in more than half the cases inside jobs...

Some quotes from that one:



read the reccomendations made about security of munitions (specifically class 1 missiles), because they\'re too easy to steal

The article talks about how theft is a problem.. but if it isn\'t terrorists stealing it.. who does?



There are literally dozens of articles out there about how impossible it is for the military to be keeping track of it\'s trillions of dollars of inventory.  In this one they point out that a 1.3 million dollar battle tank was accidentaly donated to a private individual! - and it wasn\'t even demilitarized!


I disputed your claim that the average GI takes weapons home ie. rocket launchers :rolleyes: and I stand by it.  

On another note it seems they have found mustard gas as well.  Something Saddam claimed he didn\'t have any more of.

As for the "mortar round" of Sarin as you called it...

"Artillery shells of the 155-mm size are about as big as it gets when it comes to the ordnance lobbed by infantry-based artillery units. The 155 howitzer can launch high capacity shells over several miles; current models used by the United States can fire shells as far as 14 miles. One official told Fox News that a conventional 155-mm shell could hold as much as "two to five" liters of sarin, which is capable of killing thousands of people under the right conditions in highly populated areas."
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2004, 10:03:33 AM »
As others have said, it was a very small quantity and terrorists have had 1 year to go get the supplies for these things, this proves absolutley nothing.
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2004, 10:05:26 AM »
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As others have said, it was a very small quantity and terrorists have had 1 year to go get the supplies for these things, this proves absolutley nothing.



That small quantity had the ability to kill thousands.

And where did they get them? :rolleyes:

In Iraq of course.  Who knows how many more they will find...

Iraqi Scientist: You Will Find More

Gazi George, a former Iraqi nuclear scientist under Saddam\'s regime, told Fox News that he believes many similar weapons stockpiled by the former regime were either buried underground or transported to Syria. He noted that the airport where the device was detonated is on the way to Baghdad from the Syrian border.

George said the finding likely will just be the first in a series of discoveries of such weapons.

"Saddam is the type who will not store those materials in a military warehouse. He\'s gonna store them either underground, or, as I said, lots of them have gone west to Syria and are being brought back with the insurgencies," George told Fox News. "It is difficult to look in areas that are not obvious to the military\'s eyes.

"I\'m sure they\'re going to find more once time passes," he continued, saying one year is not enough for the survey group or the military to find the weapons.

Saddam, when he was in power, had declared that he did in fact possess mustard-gas filled artilleries but none that included sarin.

"I think what we found today, the sarin in some ways, although it\'s a nerve gas, it\'s a lucky situation sarin detonated in the way it did ... it\'s not as dangerous as the cocktails Saddam used to make, mixing blister" agents with other gases and substances," George said.
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2004, 10:10:35 AM »
Can you quote a definate source stating where it came from?

I don\'t see why it couldn\'t  come from a neighboring country, a lot of terrorists and fanatics have been going to Iraq ever since the war started.

And also, the Serin was not set up to kill thousands, it was not set to launch anywhere. It didn\'t even kill anyone at all.

Edit: He may be right, he may be wrong, but untill we find large ammounts of these chemical weapons you cannot claim that they are definantly there.
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2004, 10:13:20 AM »
What did I just post?  The scientist said a lot of them went to Syria and are coming back with the insurgents.  R E A D.  

Thats right DH and everyone else who believes Saddam didn\'t have any WMD\'s - they just disappeared. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2004, 10:14:43 AM »
Umm, you edited it while i was posting.

And how can you say that one scientest saying something makes it true?
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2004, 10:16:53 AM »
Oh and, I didn\'t say he didn\'t have any, he probley did. I just said we have no proof, so Im not going to say that he DID have them without enough factual information to support that.
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2004, 10:19:05 AM »
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Umm, you edited it while i was posting.

And how can you say that one scientest saying something makes it true?


Well despite what anyone thinks on this board or here in the US or in Europe... the guy did work for Saddam.  So he has some credibility.  What would he have to gain by lying now?  Saddam is gone.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2004, 10:50:22 AM »
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Well despite what anyone thinks on this board or here in the US or in Europe... the guy did work for Saddam.  So he has some credibility.  What would he have to gain by lying now?  Saddam is gone.
Gazi George is an expert on nuclear research in Iraq, not necessarily chemical or biological weapons.  Furthermore, he\'s been living in Michigan for 20 years, so how the hell does he know that stuff was transported to Syria?  He always says things like "Saddam is the type who...."  It\'s always speculation, yet you\'re treating it as fact when you write "The scientist said a lot of them went to Syria and are coming back with the insurgents"
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2004, 10:56:33 AM »
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Gazi George is an expert on nuclear research in Iraq, not necessarily chemical or biological weapons.  Furthermore, he\'s been living in Michigan for 20 years, so how the hell does he know that stuff was transported to Syria?  He always says things like "Saddam is the type who...."  It\'s always speculation, yet you\'re treating it as fact when you write "The scientist said a lot of them went to Syria and are coming back with the insurgents"


He has more credibity than those on this board that claim that Iraq has or had no WMD\'s leading up to the war.  All I am doing is discussing what has happened.  The fact is WMD\'s were found.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2004, 12:38:08 PM »
You are so laughable gigashadow. Everything you say about others and hw they post in here in basically summed up in this thread.

Stop grasping.

Do you have any idea how much ordinance gets stolen and smuggled under the noses of those watching it?

Who says other countries/terroist groups dont have this to distribute to whom they deem will use it how they want it used or for the right price?

It was ONLY one. Who cares how many it can kill, it was no where near the stockpile our hillbilly president said was there.

That could have been anyones with or without a tie to Saddam.

Post more in this thread so I can laugh again.

Oh..I forgot to add in one of your favorites. :rolleyes:

double edit.....Fact is only ONE weapon of mass destruction was found with no telling of whom to point that dirty little finger at.
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2004, 12:47:34 PM »
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You are so laughable gigashadow. Everything you say about others and hw they post in here in basically summed up in this thread.

Stop grasping.

Do you have any idea how much ordinance gets stolen and smuggled under the noses of those watching it?

Who says other countries/terroist groups dont have this to distribute to whom they deem will use it how they want it used or for the right price?

It was ONLY one. Who cares how many it can kill, it was no where near the stockpile our hillbilly president said was there.

That could have been anyones with or without a tie to Saddam.

Post more in this thread so I can laugh again.

Oh..I forgot to add in one of your favorites. :rolleyes:

double edit.....Fact is only ONE weapon of mass destruction was found with no telling of whom to point that dirty little finger at.


You are the joke of this forum Tsina.  Can you not read?  Mustard gas was also found... or did those two words fall into your blind spot?  Your posts lack substance and you constantly whine to make your point.  Your topics are even more trivial ie. the gang members being charged under terrorism law thread.

First of all Fatalexception dug himself a hole by quoting certain selections from a link without reading the entire thing.  You don\'t even quote - which gives you zero validity.

The real fact is I could care less if there are a million warheads over there.  They found some.  Once again I have to remind you that I never said this war was over WMD.

One consolation though... you remind me of my ex wife... she also thought she knew everything, but was about as smart as a fluffer on a porn set.  Luckily, I was wise enough at the time to leave. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2004, 01:04:15 PM »
Naughty naughty mod boy. Can\'t say anything without insulting me, AGAIN?

I actually did catch the mention of mustard gas, but once again, no telling who the finger can be pointed at.

Did I accuse you of saying it was over WMD? Ok then..STFU

Just b/c you think I think I know everything doesnt mean so. Never have I stated so.
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2004, 01:05:56 PM »
"...fluffer on a porn set"

Funny analogy...

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