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Offline Living-In-Clip

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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2004, 01:49:10 AM »
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I probably should learn not to have an opinion on war. I\'m going into the military, maybe as a helicopter pilot, and will go no matter what I think. What I think of the war doesn\'t matter, I\'d still be there.


Exactly. It makes more sense to go to war, not knowing what or believing in what you are fighting for. Brilliant, man...Brilliant.

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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2004, 03:06:07 AM »
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So being sympathetic to terrorists who attack our country and an enemy our country is fighting is patriotic?  

Yes, ooseven it is that black and white when it comes to a being unpatriotic.  IMO it borders on treason.


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So was Moore being sympathetic to terrorists or was he just being critical of the Bush Administation ?

I don\'t know because i haven\'t seen the Film yet...

But if he\'s JUST being critical of the Bush Administation.... then no way can you consider him for being UNPATRIOTIC.


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IT IS however … the Willingness to stand-up and do what is right for the Country …regardless if it FOR or AGAINST the current administration.

Politics Don’t enter into where your Patriotic or NOT… Well in a TRUE democracy anyway.

Don’t know how they work in NEO police states…
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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2004, 03:48:25 PM »
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Exactly. It makes more sense to go to war, not knowing what or believing in what you are fighting for. Brilliant, man...Brilliant.


Do I detect sarcasm?
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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2004, 08:33:06 PM »
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So was Moore being sympathetic to terrorists or was he just being critical of the Bush Administation ?
 


He was being critical of the Bush administration. Mostly for using war to gain approval and money and for hypocritically supporting the Saudis, also for money.

He also took a number of jabs at Bush for bein an idiot, and that\'s where you have to stop listening and just enjoy the humor in his jabs.

Moore has a dry sense of humor, but you can tell when he\'s making a point and when he\'s taking a personal shot.

There are times that his logic takes a leap of faith that\'s a bit big to swallow, but other times he points out things like how the administration neglected to read reports directly alluding to 9/11.

Heh, he also shows a congressman who passed the Patriotic Act, which Moore disagrees with, and the guy talks about how most congressmen don\'t read the acts they pass.  That was pretty amazing, heh.

And he does get on the Florida election saying Bush stole it, but he doesn\'t show enough facts to support that claim. That\'s too bad, because it was an interesting piece of the film. He was trying to demonstrate that black voters were left out of the process, but didn\'t show how. He also mentioned how the Bush family and friends were in charge of the local government and election process in Florida, but he didn\'t show how that influenced the decision.

He also takes a nice shot and the media.

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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2004, 05:15:31 AM »
That pretty much sums it up Eiksirf.  The only disagreement I have is with the statement he was only being critical of the Bush Administration.  

In my view he was also providing propaganda to the enemy, why do you think Hezbolah wants to help distribute the film?  I mean there are scenes in the film showing Iraqi\'s as peace loving innocent people - that is not being critical of Bush - that is providing inaccurate information for the purpose of portraying the feeling of sympathy for Saddam Era Iraq.  Moore also claims that Iraq has never "murdered or conspired to murder" an American citizen which is a bold faced lie.

I agree Moore\'s main goal of the film is to be critical of Bush, but it could have been without pandering to the enemy propaganda machine.
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« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2004, 11:42:57 PM »
Is it just me or did Moore make Bush look like someone with a plan to wreak havoc from day 1?  I mean he made him look like an evil dictator like Hitler, someone with no value for life...

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« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2004, 04:30:35 AM »
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Is it just me or did Moore make Bush look like someone with a plan to wreak havoc from day 1?  I mean he made him look like an evil dictator like Hitler, someone with no value for life...


That was his intent.  He hates Bush and will do "whatever is necessary" to prevent him from winning another term.  Pure propaganda.
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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2004, 08:47:52 AM »
I\'d love to see Moore\'s face if Bush wins the election in November.
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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2004, 08:51:05 AM »
I\'d love to see all of your faces if Kerry wins the election in November.  :p
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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2004, 09:16:37 AM »
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I\'d love to see all of your faces if Kerry wins the election in November.  :p


I\'ll shit my pants :(
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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2004, 12:37:37 PM »
Kerry = GWB when it comes to terrorism and Iraq.  Kerry and Edwards don\'t have any plan.
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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2004, 05:18:23 AM »
Well Kerry plans on doing whatever the people want to hear that given day.
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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2004, 07:08:35 PM »
Is Edwards Republican? I heard somewhere he was but most likely hearing voices in my head again :(
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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2004, 09:54:03 PM »
The voices are telling you to kill George Bush... No... take off that aluminum hat!!!111  YOU MUST OBEY THE VOICES!    Aaaarrrrgggggggghhhh!  :laughing:
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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2004, 10:27:23 PM »
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That pretty much sums it up Eiksirf.  The only disagreement I have is with the statement he was only being critical of the Bush Administration.  

In my view he was also providing propaganda to the enemy, why do you think Hezbolah wants to help distribute the film?  I mean there are scenes in the film showing Iraqi\'s as peace loving innocent people - that is not being critical of Bush - that is providing inaccurate information for the purpose of portraying the feeling of sympathy for Saddam Era Iraq.  Moore also claims that Iraq has never "murdered or conspired to murder" an American citizen which is a bold faced lie.

I agree Moore\'s main goal of the film is to be critical of Bush, but it could have been without pandering to the enemy propaganda machine.

When he was showing the iraqi people it wasnt a portrayal to show the purity of the entire body of "saddam era" iraq. It was more so  to depict what we have done to people that had nothing to do with the damn war in the first place. Of course we dont know if THOSE iraqi\'s shown were innocent but there are some that are.

I can somewhat see your point, but i highly doubt it was his intention to be unpatriotic. All this you are/arent patriotic bullshit is ****ing annoying. I cant stand it when people just swing off the country\'s nuts. If your government is ****ing up then its ****ing up. Nobody wants to crash and burn with the damn thing.
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