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« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2004, 08:54:43 AM »
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You really don\'t believe shaq has an ego?


Once again, I never said that.  I said he doesn\'t have one the size of Kobe\'s.

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I mean kobe is great talent. One of the best to play the game. And shaq feels that he can\'t run up and down the court without having the ball. The guy wants the ball all the time. Even if other guys are shooting he gets mad. Because he feels like the lakers should give him the ball everytime he comes down court.
 Read the interview. The guy is going on 32 bad toe and out of shape. And still thinks everything should evolve around him. And Malone can go any where he wants. If malone hated kobe trust me he would not be going back to LA buddy trust me on that. The guy is a real hardass.


A) If you\'re gonna rely on this interview so much, find it for me.  I looking in both May 2004 ESPN mag issues, and it wasn\'t there, so I\'d like to know what you\'re talking about.

B) Players often play with people they hate.  You think Jordan liked Rodman?  Not at all.  But he wanted the Bulls to bring him in and keep him there anyway, because he made the team better, and he knew that.  Malone is the same way.  That comes first.


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All of these guys have ego. Too say shaq does not have one is just crazy. Kareem had problem letting magic step in a be the next star in LA. Because kareem did not have to have his ego fed to make him feel like he is still the man. I know kobe has an ego but all these guy do from tracy-iverson and shaq is no different. It\'s funny how when shaq makes demans or says things it\'s just him be sarcastic. "Pay me or trade me"
"I don\'t wanna play without phil"  "thi is my team"
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All three of those quotes...well, let me take em one at a time.

A) Pay me or trade me: The Lakers were publicly getting ready to do "whatever it takes" to resign Kobe.  However, when Shaq asked for an extension, they barely even tried to offer one.  Any player takes that as an insult.  Anyone would have done the same, it happens ALL THE TIME in basketball.

B) I don\'t wanna play without phil: I don\'t even see what\'s wrong with that.  That\'s just being loyal to your coach.  I think that\'s even an admirable thing to say.  He didn\'t even say he wouldn\'t play without Phil, just that he\'d rather play for him.

C) this is my team: The fact is, it was.  3 finals, 3 finals MVP\'s.  The offense, as Jackson drew it up, was supposed to run through him, although players like Kobe often went outside that offense.  And even with that being true, he has also said on multiple occasions that this is Kobe\'s team.

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I am not saying shaq is not great but the guy is not what he use to be. He will be 33. He is fat/out of shap. We all know the big toe can give out at any second. I mean  just read some of the things he says. He thinks that lakers should focus souly on him and him only.  It would have been a shame if kareem would have acted the same way towards magic.

-Once again, find me where he says this.
-And his toe has gotten better.
-And if he is motivated this year, which he is, he will prolly get into better shape.
-And besides, he has dominated for years being out of shape, so if he does get into shape, he\'ll only be better.

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I wasn\'t trying to personally attact you. If it came off that way excuse me.

Ok, it just was worded weirdly, the whole big brother thing...

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Kobe is not the first guy to not get along with his coach. And he won\'t be the last.

And I don\'t agree with anyone else who does either.

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Malone has given kobe much credit and praised the kid. I find it very hard to feel he hates him.

So has Shaq.

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Second malone can go anywhere he would not even consider LA if he hated kobe. Second I find it very hard to feel payton hated kobe. Payton hated the triangle which was made just for shaq.


The reasons for hating Kobe weren\'t on the court, they were his attitude in the locker room, etc., as well as some of the selfish points he tried to make.

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I do believe they may have been upset with eachother. But hate from anyone other than shaq is hardly believable. Any all teammates have disagreements

"He was also very openly criticised by several team mates"

While this is nothing but media bullshit. Several temmates that very funny. There are not seven guys are that team credible enough to even consider it. Plus I know he has a great relationship with rush and george.


Every media outlet reported the same thing that he was criticized by most of his team, ESPN even did a full story on it on Sportscenter.


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"the team might never forgive Bryant"
Lol come on shocky more media b.s. I mean do you honestly think any of this has any merit. And like stated by so many other people. It is very hard to believe that kobe would even do something like this.


A Laker said it, not me or the media.  Are you trying to tell me the media just made this up?  Please.  It happened, trying to discredit things that all the media sources reported?  Please.  And to me, those actions fit perfectly with Kobe\'s ego.


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ok if you look at the game the kings were sending 2-3 guys at kobe everytime he got the ball. He was passing the ball to open guys. Who were missing shots/3\'s. And the lakers defense was a little to be desired. But it makes better media to blame it all on kobe.


Did you watch that game.  He passed up a ton of open shots.  And the media didn\'t blame kobe, his team did.


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Wayde will never be able to duplicate what kobe did in the same situations because wayde is not a good.


But Kobe didn\'t play like a great player save one shot against the Pistons.  That\'s something Wade could do as well.

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Why can\'t two great players play within the offense. How good would michael jordan be if he had to play second fiddle to shaq? I mean you tell me why the offense can\'t run through shaq and kobe. Why does it has to be just shaq? Kobe is the best all around player in the league. He is a superstar why can\'t the offense run through both guys?


Just because it runs through him doesn\'t mean he gets more shots or anything.  It means you give it to him downlow to collapse the D, then he kicks it out to the open perimeter players, including Kobe.  I mean, Kobe did take a lot more shots than Shaq did, even when the offense ran this way a lot of the time.  But how exactly would you set up an offense to run through both?  Who the offense runs through has nothing to do with the number of shots.  The Nets offense ran through Kidd, but he didn\'t ever take the most shots.

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Very comical. I needed a laugh. But I am old school nba. I prefer the vintage stuff which I got tons of films of. I have seen games played by all the best. Your what 18 you are probably what the 90\'s era of nba;)


You\'re 4 years older than me, so don\'t try to act like that\'s a huge difference.  And I mean any era of the NBA.  But even more, just how the game works.  From your arguements it is clear to me that there is a lot you don\'t see or don\'t understand.
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« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2004, 11:00:16 AM »
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Once again, I never said that.  I said he doesn\'t have one the size of Kobe\'s.



A) If you\'re gonna rely on this interview so much, find it for me.  I looking in both May 2004 ESPN mag issues, and it wasn\'t there, so I\'d like to know what you\'re talking about.

B) Players often play with people they hate.  You think Jordan liked Rodman?  Not at all.  But he wanted the Bulls to bring him in and keep him there anyway, because he made the team better, and he knew that.  Malone is the same way.  That comes first.



-Once again, find me where he says this.
-And his toe has gotten better.
-And if he is motivated this year, which he is, he will prolly get into better shape.
-And besides, he has dominated for years being out of shape, so if he does get into shape, he\'ll only be better.


Ok, it just was worded weirdly, the whole big brother thing...


And I don\'t agree with anyone else who does either.


So has Shaq.


Ok but you said hate how can you say all his teammates hate him? How can you say anyone outside of shaq hates him?
Disagreeing on the court is not hating.



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The reasons for hating Kobe weren\'t on the court, they were his attitude in the locker room, etc., as well as some of the selfish points he tried to make.



Every media outlet reported the same thing that he was criticized by most of his team, ESPN even did a full story on it on Sportscenter.




A Laker said it, not me or the media.  Are you trying to tell me the media just made this up?  Please.  It happened, trying to discredit things that all the media sources reported?  Please.  And to me, those actions fit perfectly with Kobe\'s ego.


Once again I don\'t understand how can you use a word like hate. And the media reports stuff but they blow bullshit up and make something out of nothing. And there where only 4 good lakers and kobe is one of them. So several of his teammates. Oh maybe luke walton or cook where pissed off at kobe while they where cheering on the bench.

As for the article you should really read it. I believe it is the april or may issue it has the pistons on it I think. I am not sure I saw this one a long time ago.  But It has to be april or may. My cousin has it I\'ll ask what issue it was since I am not too sure.

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Did you watch that game.  He passed up a ton of open shots.  And the media didn\'t blame kobe, his team did.




But Kobe didn\'t play like a great player save one shot against the Pistons.  That\'s something Wade could do as well.


yes I watched the game and I don\'t think he passed up on shots the way some ppl may think. And your making more of it than anyone I have seen or heard.

Maybe we were watching two different games but kobe was still great in the finals. I admit he was not  playing at his greatest, but none of the lakers where even the power shaq. Who had one great game also. Wayde still cannot match any level of play that kobe puts up I am sorry to tell you this.


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Just because it runs through him doesn\'t mean he gets more shots or anything.  It means you give it to him downlow to collapse the D, then he kicks it out to the open perimeter players, including Kobe.  I mean, Kobe did take a lot more shots than Shaq did, even when the offense ran this way a lot of the time.  But how exactly would you set up an offense to run through both?  Who the offense runs through has nothing to do with the number of shots.  The Nets offense ran through Kidd, but he didn\'t ever take the most shots.


yes it does mean shaq wants even more shots. And shaq forces a lot of shots. It\'s just that ppl like to easily over look it. And wrong again that big toe of shaq is pretty f\'ed up and I don\'t know how much gas he has left in the tank. He still is good but not anywhere like he use to be. And of course he is going to dominate. The NBA is not full of great centers so thats a no brainer.



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You\'re 4 years older than me, so don\'t try to act like that\'s a huge difference.  And I mean any era of the NBA.  But even more, just how the game works.  From your arguements it is clear to me that there is a lot you don\'t see or don\'t understand. [/B]


Your 18 and I am 24 but age does not matter my cousin is 16 and I\'d bet the farm he knows more about basketball than anyone on this entire forum.  Myself Including. And I was merly joking about the era thing. I just am very old school when it comes to basketball. A lot of these guys in sports now of days have to many ego\'s.  You seem to have some knowledge of the game and I won\'t discredit that. People sometimes seem to see things very different. No need to go and discredit eachother.

I see thing one way you see somethings different. When it comes to kobe bryant everyone seem to be against him. But it pisses me off when shaq does so much and ppl act like he is a saint.
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« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2004, 12:48:35 PM »
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The heat right now don\'t have a shot getting past the pistons. Beyond shaq there front court is garbage. They have no bench.
And we all know shaq can\'t be called on in the fourth quater.
He will miss kobe.


Wait, what?

Shaq is THE most dominating player in the league, that alone gives whatever team he\'s on a chance to win the championship. It\'s no coincidence that he made it to the finals with Orlando, then LA, and I wouldn\'t be surprised if he makes it with Miami, even though you say he\'s old and washed up.

Yeah, I bet he\'ll miss Kobe forcing shots. :rolleyes:  Did you even watch the finals? When Shaq got the ball consistantly the Lakers led. What happened in the 4th though? Kobe TRIED to take over, and he failed, miserabely.

You remember what Shaq said when a reporter asked him "Shaq why do your teammated stop giving you the ball in the 4th?" and he replied with "Welcome to the story of my life."

Which is why I find it ridiculous why you keep bringing up that Shaq never did anything in the 4th. IT\'S BECAUSE HE NEVER GOT THE BALL! Your homeboy Kobe was jacking up shots.

The fact is, Kobe is an arrogant prick who NEEDS to attention. When you have quite possibly the most dominating player of all time (besides MJ) you give him the ball, no matter what.

Sure Shaq has an ego, but to deny that Kobe has a bigger one is just...umm...stupid. "If i go to the Clippers we have to play 15 games in the Pond." Um, who the **** does he think he is? He\'s a player, know your damn role. He isn\'t larger than life, and believe it or not, his shit does stink.

And lol at Kobe playing great in the finals. That RIGHT there shows that you don\'t know a DAMN thing about basketball, and you shouldn\'t be taken seriously.

And before you go and resort to the "you\'re a hater", Kobe is one of the top 5 players in the NBA.
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« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2004, 12:53:20 PM »
Alright bud, so I"m reading this article, Quddus, and this is what I"m seeing...

"We begin with the April 11 game in Sacramento. With Kobe refusing to shoot, attempting just one shot the entire first half With an unnamed Lakers player telling the Los Angeles Times, \'I don\'t know how we can forgive him.\' With a ballistic Kobe going locker to locker the next day, growling, \'Are you the Mother ****er who said that?\' None of them told Kobe yes, of course, not with those fangs sprouting from his mouth. In fact, most of th em essentially said, "Get out of my face." Eventually, the team laughed it off, with Shaq approaching a Times columnist to pry, "Come on, who was it - a guard or a forward?\'"

That doesn\'t sound too good for Kobe. Do like his compassion for his teammates, don\'t you?

This entire article basically jumps on Kobe...how can you call this article bad for Shaq? How about this classic exchange between Coach and Player:

"...It was Kobe\'s first game in Colorado since the arrest, and to keep the media circus to a minimum, Jackson cancelled the morning shootaround. But in the first quarter, when Kobe threw one of his rare passes out of bounds, Jackson shouted, "You\'ve gotta make a better pass than that." Kobe\'s reaction, according to witnesses, was, "Well, you need to teach these Mother ****ers how to run the offense." So Jackson yanked him."

Again, there\'s that compassionate Kobe again. All of his adoring teammates, OH, excuse me, "Mother ****ers" seem to be held in high regard by Kobe. Quote me, my man!

"By the All-Star Game, Jackson was boiling over. In his first game back from injury, Kobe played soft defense on Cuttino Mobley in a 102-87 loss to Houston right before the break, so on that Monday, the coach called him in. He implored his star to embrace basketball again. \'I said, Let\'s tighten this up a big because it\'s gotten too loose and out of joint between you and the rest of the team\', Jackson says. \'The convesation went well -- or as well as they go with Kobe."

Why must the man be forced to embrace basketball and get in-joint with his teammates? Wow, what a tremendous team player. How about some more from the article...

"Now if He\'d just pass the ball to Shaq. Make No mistake: This is still Shaquille O\'Neal\'s team. Laker fans may cheer louder for Kobe than for Shaq ("The City likes child stars, like Drew Barrymore," Jackson says), but they haven\'t set foot in the locker room. They haven\'t seen the way Shaq runs the place, or keeps his teammates in stitches. When he won Game 1 of the playoff series against the Rockets with a last-minute dunk, Shaq\'s quote was, "I\'m no hero. A hero ain\'t nothing but a sandwich, and I"m tying to cut down on my carbohydrates." Or when teammates were comparing Vince Carter\'s dunks to Michael Jordan\'s one day, Shaq\'s quote was, "That\'s like comparing apples and pumpkins." The guys adore him."

Do they say that about Kobe?

Alright, here\'s the thing you keep pointing out. Quddus, you keep talking about how in the article, Shaq says that he should get the ball all the time. Nowhere in this article to I read that.

"So imagine what happens to them when the games start...and Kobe won\'t hadn the ball over. "People can say it\'s a Kobe town, but I don\'t really care, because the world knows if The Diesel ain\'t flowing, nothing\'s flowing," Shaq says. "That\'s why I don\'t understand how they don\'t keep The Diesel involved sometimes. It\'s an insult to me to run down the court 10 times in a row and not touch the ball. A lot of people say, \'Well, you\'ve got to demand it.\' I don\'t see Tim Duncan demanding the ball when we play them. He runs down and turns, and as soon as he puts his hand out, it\'s there. We\'ve done that in the past, and look what we got. Three gold balls. When you have different agendas, that\'s when things get messed up. But see, the powers that be need to handle that."

Now, nowhere in that do I see Shaq saying that he should get the ball all the time. He\'s stating that he\'s frustrated when he goes down the court 10 times in a row, and he DOESN\'T touch it. Basically, your entire argument just got thrown in the tubes with that one quote. There\'s more, of course...

"(Kobe\'s) Teammates bit their lip afterard, never bashing him. His closest friend on the squad, Derek Fisher, who hugs him before tipoff, says Kobe deserves the benefit of the doubt. "I mean, to battle these personal things and still perform at a high level is impressive," Fisher says. The three other Lakers superstars are trying to toe the line too. Believe it or not, Shaq admires Kobe\'s pure ability (" a courageous little brother", he says), and doesn\'t believe Kobe tanked in Sacramento. As for Malone and Payton, they have enough to worry about just staying healthy and mastering Jackson\'s triangle offense. But they\'re grateful Kobe hasn\'t quit because of Kobe\'s legal entanglement, and they tolerate the drama because they just want a ring. After Sunday\'s game, Malone even kissed Kobe on the temple. "

Well, that\'s really nice, Kobe\'s teammates did learn to TOLERATE him....

"By all appearances, it\'s a congenial Lakers locker room. But that doesn\'t mean any of his teammates, except maybe Fisher, has broken through the facade. Even part-owner Magic Johnson has failed to get Kobe to warm up to him this year. A friend of Magic\'s says, "No one gets in with Kobe."

Sad. Your main argument was this article, yet, I don\'t see anything in here that says that Shaq always wants the ball, and that Kobe\'s so innocent after all. Couldn\'t be further from the truth.

By the way, Tony isn\'t 18. I am, however.

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« Reply #94 on: July 23, 2004, 01:18:07 PM »
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« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2004, 02:06:37 PM »
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Now, nowhere in that do I see Shaq saying that he should get the ball all the time.

He\'s stating that he\'s frustrated when he goes down the court 10 times in a row, and he DOESN\'T touch it. Basically, your entire argument just got thrown in the tubes with that one quote. There\'s more, of course...


Wrong James. If your going to try and make someone look wrong at least do it right.  Read through the article and find  where Shaq says how Tim Duncan who plays for the San antonio spurs gets the ball everytime he goes up and down the court. And how when he runs up and down the court he does not t get the ball all the time. Indicating that the spurs offense goes through duncan and duncan only first. And he is pissed that it\'s not like that with lakers.

But Tim Duncan is not playing with a supster guard like kobe braynt who should equally share the ball.

Why don\'t you post some of shaqs comments about the front office and how he is pissed because jerry bus loves kobe and how he threw a big hissy fit.  And all the rediculous shit he had to say.

No you posted only what you wanted to post. And the article was bad for shaq.  It made him look like a big ass cry baby. And all that stuff you posted is just sports writer B.S. And it really had no merit in this topic. I don\'t even understand why you even posted it. I was merly speaking of the actual comments that players made themselves. I never spoke on sports writer b.s. which is what you chose to post.

I am talking about the ACTUAL Comments that where said by players. I.E. shaq being one of them. I felt all his comments in that article where that of a big ass baby. And he showed just how much of an ego monster he is.
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« Reply #96 on: July 23, 2004, 06:20:11 PM »
Um, did you not even see that I put the Tim Duncan thing in there? Shaq does not ONCE say that he should get the ball all the time.

Would you like to know why he stated all of that stuff about Jerry Buss? Because it\'s true! The front office did everything they could to resign Kobe -- got rid of Phil, and got rid of Shaq. That\'s exactly what Shaq predicted, and he got traded. Phil got released, and Kobe got everything he wanted.

Um, I actually did post quotes from players, you know, those things in QUOTATION marks throughout the paragraph.

I don\'t even think you read my entire post. You just weeded out some things and decided to completley disregard everything I had to say because you believe that Shaq is "a big ass baby".

I\'m done with this argument. I\'ve proved my point, and the fact that you keep arguing your opinion over the facts is starting to get a bit old.

Have fun watching the Lakers completley fold. Tony, you can take it from here if you want, but I\'m done with Quddus being so thickheaded.

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« Reply #97 on: July 23, 2004, 06:45:27 PM »
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Um, did you not even see that I put the Tim Duncan thing in there? Shaq does not ONCE say that he should get the ball all the time.

Would you like to know why he stated all of that stuff about Jerry Buss? Because it\'s true! The front office did everything they could to resign Kobe -- got rid of Phil, and got rid of Shaq. That\'s exactly what Shaq predicted, and he got traded. Phil got released, and Kobe got everything he wanted.

Um, I actually did post quotes from players, you know, those things in QUOTATION marks throughout the paragraph.

I don\'t even think you read my entire post. You just weeded out some things and decided to completley disregard everything I had to say because you believe that Shaq is "a big ass baby".

I\'m done with this argument. I\'ve proved my point, and the fact that you keep arguing your opinion over the facts is starting to get a bit old.

Have fun watching the Lakers completley fold. Tony, you can take it from here if you want, but I\'m done with Quddus being so thickheaded.

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:rolleyes: blah blah man I am trying to have some level of respect for you. But you can\'t even hold a decent conversation without resorting to childlishness. I mean did you just throw a hissy fit in your post?  It\'s one thing to think that your right and everyone else is wrong. But your acting like a child. This is only sport.
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"I\'ve proved my point, and the fact that you keep arguing your opinion over the facts"


What facts? If you can prove 100% everything you have said in your post i\'ll shut my mouth and put my head between my legs and kiss my ass.

We were merly debating on what was allegedly said. These guys say one thing. Then they say another. And while some of it maybe true a lot it is nothing but B.S. I am not saying everything is not true, but a lot is just bullshit that is over blown.
 But if you can\'t talk about sports and respect one anothers opinons then just don\'t post.
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« Reply #98 on: July 23, 2004, 07:15:39 PM »
I forgot the statistics, but the Lakers had a far better winning % with Kobe out, than with Shaq out.

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« Reply #99 on: July 23, 2004, 08:51:11 PM »
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:rolleyes: blah blah man I am trying to have some level of respect for you. But you can\'t even hold a decent conversation without resorting to childlishness.


I am done with this arguement Quddus, because I am done with you.  The fact that you\'re saying HE resorted to childness when you have been attacking us a lot more than we attack you, and acting childish in calling him childish, as well as discrediting us due to our age, putting words in our mouths, and not reading our posts, or at least applying to what we said, has me fed up.

An example, I say: "The reasons for hating Kobe weren\'t on the court, they were his attitude in the locker room, etc., as well as some of the selfish points he tried to make."

And you respond with "Disagreeing on the court is not hating."

How can someone argue when you do that?

The fact that there are several people now siding with me and NO one siding with you also should say something.  Also, the fact that the main point of evidence you were using was an article that has been posted and actually works against your arguement should say something.  Plus, the fact that you have to argue that several media sources made up the same story about what teammates said about Kobe says something.

And as for you losing respect for James or anyone else, the respect of someone that so few others here respect means little to nothing, at least to me, so save your childish remarks for someone else.  It\'s an arguement, and anyone outside of it can see you\'ve been very much out argued.  If you\'re losing respect, that says something about your maturity too.  I swear, you remind me A LOT of how Clowd argued.

That is all, I won\'t be posting as part of this arguement again.  I\'ll see you in other topics, where I will treat you the same as any other member.  Hope you\'re mature enough to do the same
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« Reply #100 on: July 24, 2004, 11:10:04 AM »
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I am done with this arguement Quddus, because I am done with you.  The fact that you\'re saying HE resorted to childness when you have been attacking us a lot more than we attack you, and acting childish in calling him childish, as well as discrediting us due to our age, putting words in our mouths, and not reading our posts, or at least applying to what we said, has me fed up.

An example, I say: "The reasons for hating Kobe weren\'t on the court, they were his attitude in the locker room, etc., as well as some of the selfish points he tried to make."

And you respond with "Disagreeing on the court is not hating."

How can someone argue when you do that?

The fact that there are several people now siding with me and NO one siding with you also should say something.  Also, the fact that the main point of evidence you were using was an article that has been posted and actually works against your arguement should say something.  Plus, the fact that you have to argue that several media sources made up the same story about what teammates said about Kobe says something.

And as for you losing respect for James or anyone else, the respect of someone that so few others here respect means little to nothing, at least to me, so save your childish remarks for someone else.  It\'s an arguement, and anyone outside of it can see you\'ve been very much out argued.  If you\'re losing respect, that says something about your maturity too.  I swear, you remind me A LOT of how Clowd argued.

That is all, I won\'t be posting as part of this arguement again.  I\'ll see you in other topics, where I will treat you the same as any other member.  Hope you\'re mature enough to do the same


Please leave the drama at the door:rolleyes:
The fact is I respect what other ppl say. Just because I choose not to agree with ppl on certain things does not mean I don\'t respect what they say. And when you thought I was personally attacking you did I not try and clear things up you?

But I expect you too side with james. And really i don\'t give a care. Don\'t know you. And will never know you. I was just merly trying to have a simple sports conversation. But I see james could not do that.  If you choose to take everything you read in media word for word then thats you.

I know a lot of the  stuff they print is b.s. And I wasn\'t even discrediting everything James or you said. But if you wanna try and take personal shots at me then fine be it. Because I could careless. Your opinions of me don\'t have any merit or affect on my life so who cares?
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« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2004, 11:13:49 AM »
Who is "two"

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« Reply #102 on: July 24, 2004, 11:26:11 AM »
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« Reply #103 on: July 24, 2004, 11:32:11 AM »
Some people cant write without pen or pencil.

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« Reply #104 on: April 13, 2005, 04:58:05 PM »
Ha.
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