Upcomming Election

The republcian party is going with a more conservitive platform this time.

If they win, im going to go crazy.

More consertivie then this is unbearable.

What\'s so bad about conservativism?

Bush has been more liberal fiscally.. hasn\'t he? We spent a lot on that war. You complain about him..

What does spending on the war have anything to do with conservatism vs liberalism?

And who might he complain about other than "him"? Certainly not himself i hope. Im not saying that everybody should complain about bush but hes one in a whole lot of people that do.

Go and take a tour of a 3rd world country and then talk to me about poverty.

Well this might sound like a stupid question, but what are you talking about giga?

Originally posted by fastson
Kerry gets some ammo?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040826/ts_afp/us_economy_poverty_040826172924

That is what I am talking about.

Giga, Im against his stances on Gay Marriage, homeland security, and the enviorment.

But besides that, i hate everything else all politicans believe in.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Go and take a tour of a 3rd world country and then talk to me about poverty.

Well i know what you mean but then many argue - Who cares? I mean do you think of others before your family? It can be interpreted the same way with the war etc. I mean those numbers arent incredibly huge but its definately an issue. I mean for the US to be reduced to 3rd world status would be pretty crazy and most of the people wouldnt know how to handle it.

Its like saying that our poverty rate rising doesnt have any priority over 3rd world contries because we are so rich and dont suffer one bit. Well thus far, there havent been a whole lot of presidents to focus so heavily on the status of third world contries vs our own.

Im just curious but have you been to a 3rd world country? Im not trying to put this back upon you but im just curious. Perhaps im missing something but i havent taken my time to think it through fully.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Go and take a tour of a 3rd world country and then talk to me about poverty.

Yes, no doubt your and our "poor" have it better then for example the poor in africa.

The study I read, did use a fixed measurement for all countries.. Though the figure for poor was not as high as in this American study (the measurements for the poverty line were lower), it still was quite high and if I remember correctly placed America among the ex. communistic east-block European countries (perhaps about living conditions for the poor)?

Like I said I have not been able to find it. Google finds a lot of shit, Im sure its there, but I have not had the time to check it all.

Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Well i know what you mean but then many argue - Who cares? I mean do you think of others before your family? It can be interpreted the same way with the war etc. I mean those numbers arent incredibly huge but its definately an issue. I mean for the US to be reduced to 3rd world status would be pretty crazy and most of the people wouldnt know how to handle it.

Its like saying that our poverty rate rising doesnt have any priority over 3rd world contries because we are so rich and dont suffer one bit. Well thus far, there havent been a whole lot of presidents to focus so heavily on the status of third world contries vs our own.

Im just curious but have you been to a 3rd world country? Im not trying to put this back upon you but im just curious. Perhaps im missing something but i havent taken my time to think it through fully.

India - and yes for the most part it is a 3rd world country.  The poverty there makes our poor look rich.

Secondly, as I have said before - this really isn\'t about "poverty", but rather poverty figures here in the US and connecting them to our current president - which I find absurd.  As much as all politicians would want you to believe that they can single handedly create jobs and boost the economy, nothing could be further from the truth.  

As I said earlier -  In the US, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to not be able to provide for themselves, apart from their own lifestyle choices.  If you choose to be a bum then you will be one and that has nothing to with who is or who isn\'t in office.

Originally posted by fastson
Yes, no doubt your and our "poor" have it better then for example the poor in africa.

The study I read, did use a fixed measurement for all countries.. Though the figure for poor was not as high as in this American study (the measurements for the poverty line were lower), it still was quite high and if I remember correctly placed America among the ex. communistic east-block European countries (perhaps about living conditions for the poor)?

Like I said I have not been able to find it. Google finds a lot of shit, Im sure its there, but I have not had the time to check it all.

Never heard of this "study".  Anyway, Kerry help the poor?  That is rich.  Kerry doesn\'t even know the meaning of the word.  He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and married one of the richest women in the country (who IMO shouldn\'t have the fortune she does - her husband Sen. Heinz died in a helicopter crash and she happened to inherit it).  Not that Bush is much better, but for Kerry to claim he has answers for the poor and Bush doesn\'t is pure hypocracy.

Since this topic is really about the Swift Boat veterans...

I find it rather disgusting that ex Senator Max Cleland would go to Crawford Texas to confront Bush to get him to tell the Swift Boat group to stop their ads while Kerry has yet to even acknowledge what groups like "Please" Moveon.org do for his own campaign.  

While the details of Kerrys action 35 years ago will never be clear, I do agree with one thing the Swift Boat group and other veterans have attacked Kerry on.  His actions after returning from Vietnam.  His testimony before the Senate that claimed troops in Vietnam were guilty of war crimes - including troops under his command is fine, but at the same time he wants to be remembered as a war hero.  He can\'t have it both ways.  Either he himself is a war criminal along with everyone else or he is a war hero and betrayed his fellow veterans by testifying before the Senate with false accusations.

This is where I have a major problem with Kerry.  I personally believe he did perform admirably in Vietnam, but testified before the Senate to bring some attention to the start of his political career.  It was a publicity stunt that has come back to haunt him.  To sum it up, I think Kerry is a manipulator who took advantage of a war and popular opinion to further his own political future at the expense of his fellow veterans who fought in Vietnam.

Eh, i honestly think Kerry was just very liberal during the vietnam war.

I think you got it backwords. I think he really was against the war, and just now he says "Hey i was in that war, thats good for a political campaign!"

I disagree - he is a John F. Kennedy wannabe - look at his initials John Forbes Kerry (that is a coincidence), but the rest isn\'t - John F. Kennedy commanded a PT boat in WW2 - John F. Kerry piloted a Swift boat in Vietnam.  Both supposedly saved members of their crew.  

Coincidence - I don\'t think so.  Kerry was being groomed for politics and even hung out with the Kennedy\'s when he was younger.  His best buddy is Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Not that Bush is much better, but for Kerry to claim he has answers for the poor and Bush doesn\'t is pure hypocracy.

Status doesnt always determine what you know and dont know about something you havent experienced so you cant really call it hypocrisy, but i know what you are saying.