NYC/RNC Protests

Well, it has something to do with the president, since the agenda he pushes can have to do with a lot of things that affect people in the lower income brackets in society.  Welfair reforms, tax structures, trade agreements, all sorts of things like that can affect the people living in poverty.

And Titan, trust me, I could say the same thing about the right wing people here pushing out bullshit.  I think we should basically just agree that if you\'re gonna go on the air and say stuff like that, you should make sure it\'s right.

Originally posted by Titan

He might have said poverty level but he said something really high for unemployment which I didn\'t by for a second. But the poverty level still has nothing to do with the president. Its not like he personally lowered those people\'s poverty level. Its the companies these people are working for that cut pay and hours, not the president.

Of course it doesn\'t - this moron fails to realize our poverty level hasn\'t been this high since 1998!  Who was in office then?  Why wasn\'t he or the media in general crying about the poverty level back then?  

And there are those that claim that the media has a conservative slant. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by shockwaves
Well, it has something to do with the president, since the agenda he pushes can have to do with a lot of things that affect people in the lower income brackets in society.  Welfair reforms, tax structures, trade agreements, all sorts of things like that can affect the people living in poverty.

If that is the case then the economy should have nosedived once Clinton took office right?  Since when does the stockmarket listen to every word the President says and reacts accordingly?  Only in times of war does this happen - and when it does it is for the postive economically speaking.

The market reacts to what the Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan says - not the President.  The President is not a Dictator who has absolute control over our country - Congress also has some effect on the economy, but I really feel that it is our (America\'s) frail psyche when it comes to investing that influences the economy the most.  When the stock market is down - consumers lose confidence - when consumers lose confidence sales are down - when sales are down people lose jobs.

[Titan]

Originally posted by shockwaves
And Titan, trust me, I could say the same thing about the right wing people here pushing out bullshit.  I think we should basically just agree that if you\'re gonna go on the air and say stuff like that, you should make sure it\'s right.

Totally. I already agree radical right and left push out bullshit all the time. I\'m not radical in either side. I\'m conservative but more moderate. When I push my views, I usually try to make sure I know what I\'m posting.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
If that is the case then the economy should have nosedived once Clinton took office right?  Since when does the stockmarket listen to every word the President says and reacts accordingly?  Only in times of war does this happen - and when it does it is for the postive economically speaking.

The market reacts to what the Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan says - not the President.

Which is why I didn\'t say the economy or stock market are affected by the president.  I just said that he can influence things such as legislation, which affect the people living in poverty.  Just trying to make a point, that\'s all

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you\'re exactly right titan...the prez cannot control what these big companies do or how they conduct business,..cause most of the time these big companies has the prez in their pocket..regardless if they\'re a dem or republican..thing is,..is that money & power is what rules the world..and unfortunately what these big companies don\'t realize is that if they keep layin\' off people, there won\'t be anybody around to buy their product...

i did a thread about outsourcing a while back...that\'s another issue these presidential candidates needs to tackle...it\'s happened right where i work in the sense that some of our programming jobs have gone over to brazil,..were they pay those programmers 1/4 of what they pay the programmers over here..hell there\'s no need to come to america for that superior education...since the u.s. will send it\'s workflows over to you:rolleyes:

keep sending good jobs over seas...these are the types of jobs i\'m talkin about..in the computer tech field...both of these candidates have turned a blind eye to this subject and i think i have even heard both of them say (bush & kerry) that outsourcing can be good for the country..WHAT? sorry they both get a thumbs down from me on that subject...

Originally posted by shockwaves
Which is why I didn\'t say the economy or stock market are affected by the president.  I just said that he can influence things such as legislation, which affect the people living in poverty.  Just trying to make a point, that\'s all

See my post again - I edited it a little while you were typing this message.

Truth, but the presidents agenda, does have influence over what is proposed in congress, especially when the party he represents is behind him.

But it does not dictate the direction of the economy.

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damn..i\'ve been agreeing with giga alot lately *shudders* i agree..i believe greenspan effects how the economy performs to some degree..i really don\'t follow the stock mrkt like that, but i do know that when greenspan talks everybody takes notice. and based on what he says is the difference between those cats in the stock mrkt commiting suicide, or breathing a sigh of relief...

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Of course it doesn\'t - this moron fails to realize our poverty level hasn\'t been this high since 1998!  Who was in office then?  Why wasn\'t he or the media in general crying about the poverty level back then?  

And there are those that claim that the media has a conservative slant. :rolleyes:

Of course it is worth mentioning that in 1998 the poverty level was on the downswing while right now it is on the upswing.

I agree with what Giga is saying too.  I wasn\'t trying to say that the president affects the economy, I was trying to say that he can help push legislation that affects people in specific income brackets.  Two different things.

[SirMystiq]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040831/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_purple_heart_bandages&cid=694&ncid=2043

NEW YORK - A GOP delegate handed out bandages with purple hearts on them Monday night at the Republican National Convention in a swipe at Democratic nominee John Kerry (news - web sites)\'s war record, but national GOP officials have asked him to stop.

   

The bandages were handed out by Morton Blackwell, a longtime GOP activist from Virginia, with the message: "It was just a self-inflicted scratch, but you see I got a Purple Heart for it."


Kerry won three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a bronze star for his service in the Vietnam War. A group calling itself Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking Kerry as a liar through campaign ads and media interviews, but Kerry\'s wartime experiences have been backed by crewmates and official records.


"It is inexcusable for a delegate to mock anyone who has ever put on a soldier\'s uniform," said Democratic Chairman Terry McAuliffe. "It is inexcusable to mock service and sacrifice."


Blackwell, who gave out almost 250 of the bandages, said Vietnam veterans have every right to be angry about anti-war comments Kerry made after returning to this country.


GOP Chairman Ed Gillespie spoke to Blackwell and they agreed that he would not distribute the bandages Tuesday night," said Republican spokesman Jim Dyke. "This was not a party activity, but he was acting as an individual."


Yeah, mocking the fact that somebody risked their lives to save others is something a Republican has the right to do...




Asked "Can we win?" Bush said, "I don\'t think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the — those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."


Yup we won\'t win...we\'ll just make it less acceptable...Because before it was so acceptable...right?


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/analysis/toons/2004/08/30/mitchell/index.html


I don\'t know about you all, but it\'s more obvious that 9/11 has become the prime propaganda tool of the GOP instead of the disaster that was caused by a man in Afghanistan which is why we invaded Iraq.

Democrats have a movie. Republicans have a president that sat for 10 minutes as planes hit two buildings.

[SirMystiq]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040830/ap_on_go_pr_wh/sportsmen_s_vote



WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Monday it will give people who hunt and fish new access to hundreds of thousands of acres of lands and streams within 17 national wildlife refuges and wetlands.

   

The decision as the Republican National Convention was opening in New York was announced by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.


Asked if it might help President Bush (news - web sites)\'s re-election efforts, the agency\'s director, Steve Williams said, "This is just another example of the president\'s commitment to sportsmen."


"By law, Congress directed the service to consider and provide opportunities for hunting and fishing where it\'s compatible on the refuges. We take that quite seriously," Williams added.


Both Bush and Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry (news - web sites) have cast themselves as sportsmen in campaigning for votes among hunters and conservationists. Groups that promote hunting and fishing rights or habitat for fish and game — such as the Boone and Crockett Club, Ducks Unlimited and the National Rifle Association — claim millions of members.


Hunting and fishing, along with observing and photographing wildlife, have long been allowed in the 95-million-acre refuge system. That includes 544 national wildlife refuges and thousands of small wetlands and other specially managed areas.


Currently, more than 300 wildlife refuges and about 3,000 small wetlands are open to hunting, and more than 260 wildlife refuges are open to fishing.


Monday\'s decision opens another 243,500 acres as of Sept. 1, wildlife officials said.


Federal officials opened to hunting and fishing four more national wildlife refuges: Mountain Long Leaf in Alabama, 3,300 acres; Cypress Creek in Illinois, 100 acres; Red River in Louisiana, 2,700 acres, and Waccamaw in South Carolina, 10,500 acres.


Also opened were six more wetlands management districts: Devils Lake in North Dakota, 56,000 acres; and in South Dakota: Huron, 11,000 acres; Lake Andrews, 20,000 acres; Madison, 38,500 acres; Sand Lake, 45,000 acres, and Waubay, 4,400 acres.


Seven refuges where officials added to the land and marshes available for hunting are Savannah in Georgia and South Carolina, 2,000 acres; Big Oaks in Indiana, 10,000 acres; Big Branch Marsh in Louisiana, 6,000 acres; Crescent Lake in Nebraska, 5,000 acres; Cross Creek and Tennessee in Tennessee, 24,000 acres, and Trinity in Texas, 5,000 acres.


Officials said the agency was not adding money to the budget to help with managing the additional activity in the newly opened areas.




Why don\'t we just burn down all forest burn a hole in the atmosphere with something and shoot everything we can find?

Instead of slowly killing everything we feel the need to in order to feel like "sportsmen"...

How the hell is killing a creature who has done nothing to you a "sport"?

I still don\'t understand how the Bush campaign can attack anyone\'s war record given the record of the man they\'re campaigning for.