Arnie\'s speech

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yeah right, you have no friends, lets be honest here.

Perhaps you didn\'t notice the inverted commas around the "friend".

It was clearly his mom telling him to clean his room.

[SirMystiq]

Hooray for Cheney and his lesbian daughter!!


Arnold couldn\'t have sounded more mature...

And Bush\'s speech...Nice way to tie on 9/11 to Iraq there...

Restraining federal spending huh...A little too late no?

The dude was cocky as hell. I would be too if I had somebody write speeches to make me appear as something I\'m not.


I had to watch the RNC for school. My damn teacher made me. I have to write notes about it. And I hate writing down about idiots, hypocrites and liars.

Bush\'s speech started slow but he ended strong.

When he got to the point where he joked about his flaws and talked about personal experiences with families of soldiers who were KIA I was a lot more into his speech. The personal aspect really overshadowed his deliverance (which IMO was a good thing).

Originally posted by ROL Jamas
You know what I like? Football.

*continues to watch a ton of football while the RNC\'s going on*

I mean, I\'d watch...but I just don\'t care. At all. I guess that makes me an uninformed liberal who isn\'t willing to listen to the right wing, but who cares, right? It\'s Football! Go Utah!

See Yuz.

Thanks for sharing. Should I make a note of this or will you remind us of this at some later date?

I don\'t think you saw what I was getting at...

1. Who in the hell schedules a National Convention right when football season\'s starting and there are 3 different games on TV on a Thursday Night?

2. I avoided it simply because I didn\'t want to listen to it. I knew I\'d come here and see all of the relative conservatives on the board come out and talk about how great "So and So Speaker" was despite the fact that, well, they sucked. It happened during the DNC, only vice versa. Apparently overusing the phrase "Girlie Men" automatically makes for a brilliant speech.

I also don\'t listen because I know half of the stuff that Bush is talking about quite simply isn\'t true. He\'s had a nice history of saying things and, well, doing the exact opposite, and that grates on my nerves. His "Brilliant" job on medicare doesn\'t do SHIT for Senior Citizens, he keeps touting the economy which to this day is still in relative shambles, and have yet to see ANY improvement. Of course, there\'s other stuff, like losing jobs to other countries and claiming that he\'s "creating jobs". Yeah, right.

I could bring up the entire "gong to war for no true reason" thing, but that\'s already been beaten like a dead horse. Remember, he\'s "A Uniter, not a Divider." Man, haven\'t heard that line in a while. Was happy to hear Bush\'s other catch-phrase of being a "Passionate Conservative." That\'s my favorite.

See Yuz.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
Hooray for Cheney and his lesbian daughter!!


Arnold couldn\'t have sounded more mature...

And Bush\'s speech...Nice way to tie on 9/11 to Iraq there...

Restraining federal spending huh...A little too late no?

The dude was cocky as hell. I would be too if I had somebody write speeches to make me appear as something I\'m not.


I had to watch the RNC for school. My damn teacher made me. I have to write notes about it. And I hate writing down about idiots, hypocrites and liars.

How about Kerry\'s midnight news conference?  I think a more approriate name for it would have been Kerry\'s midnight "damage control".  The dems are going nuts after what was overall a fantastic convention by the GOP.  The protests didn\'t work, the GOP came across as moderate, Kerry\'s weaknesses were exposed and Bush laid out a good blueprint for domestic policy for his next term.  

Sorry Mystiq, but once again you are wrong and are showing your ignorance.  Bush came across as very strong and sincere - he even highlighted his own short comings which I found lightened the mood of the speech.  Great convention - the best I have seen in quite a while from either side.  End of story.

Originally posted by ROL Jamas
I don\'t think you saw what I was getting at...

1. Who in the hell schedules a National Convention right when football season\'s starting and there are 3 different games on TV on a Thursday Night?


I also don\'t listen because I know half of the stuff that Bush is talking about quite simply isn\'t true. He\'s had a nice history of saying things and, well, doing the exact opposite, and that grates on my nerves. His "Brilliant" job on medicare doesn\'t do SHIT for Senior Citizens, he keeps touting the economy which to this day is still in relative shambles, and have yet to see ANY improvement. Of course, there\'s other stuff, like losing jobs to other countries and claiming that he\'s "creating jobs". Yeah, right.

 

The President addressing the nation > preseason football

Your priorities show your true colors.  If you were even vaguely interested in what is best for this country you wouldn\'t even be whining about the RNC ending the same night football starts.   I suppose it is for the best that you are pro Kerry as if there was some football related activity on election day we all know where you would be.  

You don\'t even want to hear issues, but would rather stay uninformed.  The economy in shambles - I guess you didn\'t see todays headlines have you?  144,000 jobs added in August.  

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=&e=4&u=/ap/20040903/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/unemployment

Bush seemed like he was about to cry when he was talking about the families praying for HIM after losing family members. He came across VERY well in his speech. I would not be surprised in the least if that speech brought a ton of swing votes into the GOP camp.

My only problem is how he talked about implementing all of these new financial benefits and reforms. Why didn\'t he do this during his first term?

If you think about it, I am almost the opposite of Giga in every single way and I was watching Bush close out his speech like "wow, he did his thing". If that is how a progressive like myself looked at it, imagine how some independant voters took it. I expect Bush to get a nice jump in the polls.

Kerry better get on damage control QUICK.

Very true BS.  I think the reason he didn\'t do any of these things during his first term was because of 9/11.  It isn\'t an excuse, but rather the reality of the matter.  9/11 and terrorism has diverted alot of time and resources away from his domestic agenda.  

However, he did accomplish some of his major domestic policies that get little attention.  Home ownership as at an all time high and the Bush adminstration has spent the most of any administration on education.  The problem with the latter is that the money is not reaching the schools - whether it is due to corrupt individuals or redtape I don\'t know, but you really can\'t blame Bush for that problem as it seems to be happening on a state and local level.

Personally I liked how this convention didn\'t really focus on religion.  Issues like abortion were vaguely addressed, but for the most part this definitely wasn\'t a "Christian Coalition" agenda.

Also 2008 is going to be very interesting if Bush wins.  Maybe the DNC will realize like the RNC did before this convention that moderation is what America wants.  I believe most Republicans and Democrats don\'t want radicals dictating their party\'s platforms.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
The President addressing the nation > preseason football

Your priorities show your true colors.  If you were even vaguely interested in what is best for this country you wouldn\'t even be whining about the RNC ending the same night football starts.  :rollseye:  I suppose it is for the best that you are pro Kerry as if there was some football related activity on election day we all know where you would be.  

You don\'t even want to hear issues, but would rather believe stay uninformed.  The economy in shambles - I guess you didn\'t see todays headlines have you?  144,000 jobs added in August.  

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=&e=4&u=/ap/20040903/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/unemployment

Actually, that\'s kind of what I was going for. I\'m not saying I don\'t care, I\'m saying it\'s the same rhetoric I\'ve heard for the past 3 years, know what I\'m saying? Every time Bush makes a speech, it\'s the same thing. I don\'t think it\'s just Bush, I think it\'s Presidents in general. I watched the DNC, and that put me to sleep.

It\'s just a show. Both Conventions are a show to present what one party has over the other, and personally, I just wasn\'t into it this week. That, and I didn\'t want to hear Arnold Schwartzenegger make a speech about how all Democrats are "Girlie Men", while the conservatives on the board call it a great speech. C\'mon.

144,000 jobs in August? That\'s nice. How many did we \'add\' combined in every month before August? I\'d like a number. You\'re good at presenting numbers, and I want to see some. Yes, I\'m aware of the issues, and I\'m aware of where they both stand. I just didn\'t want to hear it again -- Republicans bashing Kerry, Kerry flip-flopping on the issues, Democrats having no stance on anything, it\'s all there. Personally I\'m bored with it, and Election Day can\'t come soon enough.

See Yuz.

Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Actually, that\'s kind of what I was going for. I\'m not saying I don\'t care, I\'m saying it\'s the same rhetoric I\'ve heard for the past 3 years, know what I\'m saying? Every time Bush makes a speech, it\'s the same thing. I don\'t think it\'s just Bush, I think it\'s Presidents in general. I watched the DNC, and that put me to sleep.

It\'s just a show. Both Conventions are a show to present what one party has over the other, and personally, I just wasn\'t into it this week. That, and I didn\'t want to hear Arnold Schwartzenegger make a speech about how all Democrats are "Girlie Men", while the conservatives on the board call it a great speech. C\'mon.

144,000 jobs in August? That\'s nice. How many did we \'add\' combined in every month before August? I\'d like a number. You\'re good at presenting numbers, and I want to see some. Yes, I\'m aware of the issues, and I\'m aware of where they both stand. I just didn\'t want to hear it again -- Republicans bashing Kerry, Kerry flip-flopping on the issues, Democrats having no stance on anything, it\'s all there. Personally I\'m bored with it, and Election Day can\'t come soon enough.

See Yuz.

I can respect that - hell sometimes I get tired of hearing them go at it, but I think this election is much different than any other election I have seen.  We are at war with an unorganized enemy and that enemy has the power attack us without us even seeing it coming.  It is a much different world we live in compared to when I grew up in 80\'s and the USSR was our biggest worry.  At least then you knew where your enemy was and could see them.

As for your numbers request - from the link above:

While the new jobless rate was the lowest since October 2001, the drop in the unemployment rate in August came as people left the work force for any number of reasons. Economists were predicting the jobless rate to hold steady in August.

Considering that 10/2001 was 10 months into Bush\'s first term - that is a very good figure.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
How about Kerry\'s midnight news conference?  I think a more approriate name for it would have been Kerry\'s midnight "damage control".  The dems are going nuts after what was overall a fantastic convention by the GOP.  The protests didn\'t work, the GOP came across as moderate, Kerry\'s weaknesses were exposed and Bush laid out a good blueprint for domestic policy for his next term.  

Sorry Mystiq, but once again you are wrong and are showing your ignorance.  Bush came across as very strong and sincere - he even highlighted his own short comings which I found lightened the mood of the speech.  Great convention - the best I have seen in quite a while from either side.  End of story.

Yeah...Hopefully that speech can bring back all the dead soldiers. Or capture Laden. Funny how he stayed off that subject.


Fantastic convention...Yeah, especially when you have the terminator calling others "gurlie man"

I wonder how much Bush will stay on that "blue print"...What president stays on their "blue print"?

You mean how he joked about his speech flaws?

The guy steered off all the main topics people wanted to hear about and focused on his stubborn decisions, unability to change and his failure to use useful intelligence. Then again why would he if he\'s trying to convince people to give him another chance?

Overall, money can make any convention good. I bet he paid top dollar for all of those speeches(sp)

I don\'t know what\'s worst. Losing so many jobs over a period of time...or being happy that we get a couple of months with a job increase and we take it as if the sun has shined a new face on this president.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
Yeah...Hopefully that speech can bring back all the dead soldiers. Or capture Laden. Funny how he stayed off that subject.


Fantastic convention...Yeah, especially when you have the terminator calling others "gurlie man"

I wonder how much Bush will stay on that "blue print"...What president stays on their "blue print"?

You mean how he joked about his speech flaws?

The guy steered off all the main topics people wanted to hear about and focused on his stubborn decisions, unability to change and his failure to use useful intelligence. Then again why would he if he\'s trying to convince people to give him another chance?

Overall, money can make any convention good. I bet he paid top dollar for all of those speeches(sp)

I don\'t know what\'s worst. Losing so many jobs over a period of time...or being happy that we get a couple of months with a job increase and we take it as if the sun has shined a new face on this president.

Mystiq - read the post above - jobless rate lowest since 10/2001

Bush paid for the speeches?  

Please get off the Republicans are richer than the Democrats kick - they both spend relatively the same money for conventions.  I know for someone like you it is hard not to be bitter that the RNC was better than the DNC.

Bush also talked about the domestic topics people wanted to hear for the whole first half of his speech - education, healthcare, the economy and jobs.  

Also what useful intelligence are you referring to?  The British, the Russians and our own intelligence stated the same thing.  He also said he was not willing to take the chance that Saddam could have WMD\'s that could be used against America.  I completely agree.

[Titan]

Originally posted by SirMystiq
The dude was cocky as hell. I would be too if I had somebody write speeches to make me appear as something I\'m not.

The bulk of all presidential speeches, no matter if its Bush or Clinton, were written by a team of professional writers.

[SirMystiq]

Hmm...let me check my memory vault...YUP I KNOW THAT.

I know all speeches are written by somebody else. But people are praising Bush for a speech he wouln\'t have come up with if God had given him a new brain.

I didn\'t watch the entire RNC so I wouln\'t know. I didn\'t watch the entire DNC so I can\'t compare the two.

And the whole money issue had nothing to do with Republicans being richer than whomever you said.

Today at work I was talking to a Vietnam veteran who supports Kerry. He told me that after he got back to the war, he was completely against it also. And so were alot of his friends. B/c he saw it as a religious war when people began not only attacking his troops b/c they were invading but because they were Christians...b/c they were American...And he didn\'t feel like the war did anything but put lives on the line. Too bad Bush can\'t tell stories like that huh?