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Their rightful place, huh?

By the end of today, their rightful place could very possibly be all alone in first place in the AFC East.

Originally posted by shockwaves
Their rightful place, huh?

By the end of today, their rightful place could very possibly be all alone in first place in the AFC East.

Well, eat those words, the Jets lost to Buffalo, I wanted it to happen but honestly didn\'t think it would.  Jets are way too conservative in my opinion,  but hey, it\'s good for me.

Even though I wanted the Iggles to win, they got beat up worse then the Pats did last week, so all those Eagles are number one chants can go down the crapper...

The Patriots have a 19-14 lead at halftime, 4 FGs, while points are points,  St. Louis doesn\'t have an amazing Defense,  and half of those should be touchdowns.  We\'ll see though, hopefully New England can hold on for the win, and hope that Pittsburgh loses soon, even though they have a soft schedule for the next few weeks.

The Jets got screwed.  Two bad calls kept them from being able to go for the win.  The refs can eat my shit.

And on that note, whoever (Alliswell) is still high on Kurt Warner, you shouldn\'t be.  He sucks.  Absolutely sucks.  I haven\'t been as disgusted with my teams as I am right now in a long time.

Originally posted by shockwaves
The Jets got screwed.  Two bad calls kept them from being able to go for the win.  The refs can eat my shit.

And on that note, whoever (Alliswell) is still high on Kurt Warner, you shouldn\'t be.  He sucks.  Absolutely sucks.  I haven\'t been as disgusted with my teams as I am right now in a long time.

Am I the only one who knew this whole Kurt Warner this was a mistake?  He\'s a horrible quaterback when the game is on the line, and he holds onto the ball WAY too long.

As far the Jets, sure the ref\'s calls didn\'t help, BUT, you can\'t assume they would have scored.

You can\'t assume it, no.  But when they are denied a chance TWICE, that\'s something to complain about.  That was a crazy situation, with the wind and all, but the Jets really did put themselves in that bad situation.  Oh well.  

As for the Giants...Kurt Warner, 2 int\'s, 2 fumbles, no touchdowns, minimal yards, against a bad team.  He lost us the game.  There\'s really no other way to look at it.  The Giants are down by 7 with the ball in the closing minutes, and what does he do?  1-10: incomplete.  2-10: sack.  3-14: sack.  Puts him in a 4-20 because the man is incapable of feeling or responding to pressure in the pocket, which of course he can\'t convert.  Pathetic.  Bring on Eli, I\'m ready for him.  Kurt Warner\'s time is done.

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GO STEELERS! MWAHAHAHAHA!

I must say...I still truly believe no one in the NFC can touch the Eagles.  They are the class of the NFC, bar none.

But, after today\'s game I have to wonder if we were in the AFC where we\'d be.  I really am left wondering A LOT after today\'s game.  Our secondary is very young, and to those outside philadelphia, it is considered a weak point.  They\'ve played well this year...but today in Pittsburgh, they seemed absolutely lost.  And when they knew where they were, they were falling on their asses.  Our run defense...well...that\'s been suspect...that\'s no secret.

Two things that REALLY worry me about this Eagles team:

Playcalling.  The Eagles pass WAAAAAY too much.  Granted, they were down early, but you have to have faith in your defense...even if it hadn\'t earned it so far in the game.  I know Andy Reid likes to pass, and that\'s great.  But when you pass so much that it becomes predictable, there\'s a problem.  And when you run so rarely that when you do, there\'s little to no production, there\'s a bigger problem.

Second, I love McNabb.  I think he\'s one of the best quarterbacks in the league at going out there and getting a W.  However, when was the last time he won a big game?  I suppose one could consider the monday night game against minnesotta a big game...but other than that?  In recent history...he played horribly against the bucs in the nfc championship game...horrible against the bucs in the home opener rematch...horrible against the panthers in the NFC Championship last year...horrible against a tough Pittsburgh game this afternoon.  I didn\'t follow him in Syracuse, so I don\'t know if this is a pattern or not...tell me he\'s not a choke artist?

One person I am GREATLY pleased with, however, is Terrell Owens.  If this guy continues to put forth the effort he has over the first 8 games, he\'s got to be a definite candidate for league MVP.  He\'s putting up the numbers.  And perhaps more importantly...this afternoon, when the Eagles really needed yards, he seemed to be the only one fired up to go out there and get them.

Originally posted by IareEthan
I must say...I still truly believe no one in the NFC can touch the Eagles.  They are the class of the NFC, bar none.

But, after today\'s game I have to wonder if we were in the AFC where we\'d be.  I really am left wondering A LOT after today\'s game.  Our secondary is very young, and to those outside philadelphia, it is considered a weak point.  They\'ve played well this year...but today in Pittsburgh, they seemed absolutely lost.  And when they knew where they were, they were falling on their asses.  Our run defense...well...that\'s been suspect...that\'s no secret.

Two things that REALLY worry me about this Eagles team:

Playcalling.  The Eagles pass WAAAAAY too much.  Granted, they were down early, but you have to have faith in your defense...even if it hadn\'t earned it so far in the game.  I know Andy Reid likes to pass, and that\'s great.  But when you pass so much that it becomes predictable, there\'s a problem.  And when you run so rarely that when you do, there\'s little to no production, there\'s a bigger problem.

Second, I love McNabb.  I think he\'s one of the best quarterbacks in the league at going out there and getting a W.  However, when was the last time he won a big game?  I suppose one could consider the monday night game against minnesotta a big game...but other than that?  In recent history...he played horribly against the bucs in the nfc championship game...horrible against the bucs in the home opener rematch...horrible against the panthers in the NFC Championship last year...horrible against a tough Pittsburgh game this afternoon.  I didn\'t follow him in Syracuse, so I don\'t know if this is a pattern or not...tell me he\'s not a choke artist?

One person I am GREATLY pleased with, however, is Terrell Owens.  If this guy continues to put forth the effort he has over the first 8 games, he\'s got to be a definite candidate for league MVP.  He\'s putting up the numbers.  And perhaps more importantly...this afternoon, when the Eagles really needed yards, he seemed to be the only one fired up to go out there and get them.

Well i think our defense got hammered and that put a lot of pressure on the offense. All credit goes to the steelers defense. They were great out there. And when you can\'t establish the run you end up looking like the lions have looked throughout the season.

I think if they do meeting in the big game it will be a different story. The eagles will bounce back. It\'s just 1 game 8 left:)

Originally posted by IareEthan
However, when was the last time he won a big game?  I suppose one could consider the monday night game against minnesotta a big game...but other than that?  In recent history...he played horribly against the bucs in the nfc championship game...horrible against the bucs in the home opener rematch...horrible against the panthers in the NFC Championship last year...horrible against a tough Pittsburgh game this afternoon.  I didn\'t follow him in Syracuse, so I don\'t know if this is a pattern or not...tell me he\'s not a choke artist?

Last year against the Packers in the playoffs.  He played a very talented, highly motivated team that had tons of momentum.  That was a big win, and it ended in a big game winning drive.  Not bad if you ask me.

I didn\'t see the Steelers game but those post game stats are just wow.  No 3rd down conversions for the eagles, 8-8 for Steelers.  Thank god, TO is a flame, that is all.

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Bengals > Dallas.

Mark my words, I said Parcells was in for his first failure with Dallas and I was right! They went from terrible, to medicore back to terrible..  Ah, how nice it is to be right.


I see T.O can\'t keep his mouth shut when losing. I don\'t care what McNabb says, that was not a friendly "let\'s get goin\'" conversation. Owens was clearly yelling and voicing his opinion, while Mcnabb was obviously becoming more and more irritated. It is just Owens nature, if they lose he wants to blame everyone but himself and that is why he will never be the great player that he could be. Same with Kobe Bryant.

Not going to jump on the Steelers bandwagon, like most people will (flashbacks to last years season - Hello?  The Chiefs bandwagon?!?), but I will say they are mighty impressive this year. That rookie QB (Whose name I can\'t spell) is doin\' damn good.

Originally posted by IareEthan
If the reason New England lost is due to injuries, perhaps they need to build a little bit past their starters.

The Pats(under Belichick) have always built past their starters. They are a really well coached team. Still there is really nothing you can do when you go from a Corey Dillon to a Kevin Faulk and an Asante Samuel/Ty Law combo to an Asante Samuel/Randall Gay combo. Ty Law is arguably the best shutdown CB in the game and losing his for a rookie is going to hurt ANY team.

Originally posted by IareEthan
it\'s clear they are in a VERY similar situation, but the Eagles have the stronger backups.

That statement is completely baseless.

The Patriots worked around injuries.  They had offensive players like Troy Brown playing CB, and defensive players like Mike Vrabel playing TE.  Adam Vinatieri even threw a touchdown pass on a trick play to I forget who, but it was the best play of the day.

7-1, gotta beat Buffalo next Sunday night.  Not taking them lightly, they just beat the Jets, who I think were looking past them.

I\'ve gotta admit that it was funny seeing Hines Ward mock TO and TO yelling at McNabb.

Black_Samurai, you saying my statement is completely baseless is baseless in itself.  I\'ve backed up what I\'ve said.  If you don\'t agree, then put forth why.

Second, TO wasn\'t "yelling" at McNabb, he was offering support.  The media, like they did last week with his ray lewis comments, try to turn things into something they are not.