P2P in trouble?

It is wrong to download CD\'s instead of buying them.

But I think its okay to download a couple of songs to find out what a band sounds like.

But then again, it is still against the law. I just don\'t care.

[Titan]

I don\'t download CDs but I do download catchy songs I see on TV or hear on the radio and make my own mixes. Some of the bands I download I do have plans on buying. If its a crappy band with one or two good songs, I\'ll just download the songs.

I steal music from the internet.

[Titan]

Originally posted by Halberto
Well if you cant afford it, do what most people did before p2p.... DONT BUY IT!

When I couldn\'t afford CDs when I was younger, I recorded them off the radio

Originally posted by PS2_-\'_\'-_PS2
Good for you then you obviously like being ripped off and thats fine for you if you can afford it, a lot of bands say "its all about the music" - yeh right. When you rip your fans off grossly and roll around in money i bet u cant wait to make another album that sounds exacltly the same as all the other crap out there and still make millions off it.

The fact is it costs a fraction of the ammount of money you hand over for the CD than it does to produce it.

It may cost less to actually manufactor the cd. But it is very costly for artist to make the records. They gotta pay producers, writers, engineers, pay for the studio time. Guest appearences. It can be very costly for an artist to make a cd.

10 bucks is nothing. If you can\'t afford 10-14 dollars for a cd then don\'t listen to music.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Halberto
Its only fair guys. Peoples jobs and money are being stolen by the whole public, and nobody has the guts to admit it but a few. You cant justify stealing loads of songs or movies over the net.

Did you see where a company is suing smaller companies due to the fact they sell online? The one company says that it has a patent on online selling, also known as e-commerence. It\'s bullshit like this that is hurting the American people and American companies.

Originally posted by Capcom
Welcome to the new technology age. Where companies rely on the goverment to secure their intellectual properties.

When I couldn\'t afford CDs when I was younger, I recorded them off the radio

Me too.

Quddus but what if you wanted to make a mix CD of only 12 songs that were from 10 different artists?  That\'s $100 right there assuming each CD is at the low low price of $9.99 (most aren\'t).

I like iTunes.  12 songs = $12.  But this is for people 18+ that are able to hold a credit card.  Kids under 18 aren\'t, but at the same time they are the main ones whoring the P2P programs.

And let\'s get to the real reason why album sales are getting to record low numbers; the music out there sucks.  Just turn to MTV and see what they\'re trying to push on us.

http://www.mtv.com/music/

I see Hilary Duff featured on the main page.  There is just a lot of sh*t out there right now.  Personally I have a handful of bands I\'m willing to plunk down the cash for their entire album, other than that I\'ll go to itunes for the occasional dance or hip/hop song.  Downloading songs for free gets lame when you have a job and a credit card.

Originally posted by QuDDus
It may cost less to actually manufactor the cd. But it is very costly for artist to make the records. They gotta pay producers, writers, engineers, pay for the studio time. Guest appearences. It can be very costly for an artist to make a cd.
 

never downloaded anything off p2p?

Originally posted by QuDDus
10 bucks is nothing. If you can\'t afford 10-14 dollars for a cd then don\'t listen to music.

For a start here in britain we get ripped off - ie its nowhere near $10 - $14 for a CD here! Just went to a currency converter and its $23.50 for an album over here - the new green day album is this in my local HMV for example. Double discs are $28.80. Even if i wanted to pay this much in a complilation (and i have dont get me wrong i will support a band if i like them enough) album like Kerrang for example there is still going to be a whole load of crap on there that i dont want to hear.

People still whine about paying "high prices", eh?

This isn\'t bread we\'re talking about...

You don\'t need music to survive...

You CAN\'T justify stealing music...

And if the music out there sucks so much, why are you downloading it?

Save your HD space for porn...

Im sure whoever is complaining about how the music sucks isnt "stealing" that music. Thats the beauty (if you can call it that) of p2p. Rare or a broad range of items can be found much easier on a p2p network vs best buy etc.

[Living-In-Clip]

Give me a break. That arguement is pathetic. Why you ask? Because , the basic argument concerns this../

(1) There is no good music.

(2) The record companies and artist make to much money to begin with.

(3) You can\'t find the good music at Best Buy.

Alright,let\'s tackle this one at a time.

(1) No good music? That\'s subjective and you can not tell me that is the reason you download music off the internet. Admit it, you steal it because you are a cheap bastard.

(2) You said the good music (rare) can\'t be found at Best Buy. Right, it can\'t. However, I know for a fact it can be found online or a lot of times at a local record store. Either way - if it\'s good music, shouldn\'t you be a good consumer and pay that good artist? Or is that to much to ask?

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip

(2) ... - if it\'s good music, shouldn\'t you be a good consumer and pay that good artist? Or is that to much to ask?

Yes. I said that b4 - if its a band i really like i am willing to line the pockets of them - i am happy to contribute because i want them to make more songs. However if it is a band i dont listen to much or i just want to hear some more of then i will just d/l it because i would never purchase, for exaple an album, just bcoz i liked one song.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Give me a break. That arguement is pathetic. Why you ask? Because , the basic argument concerns this../

(1) There is no good music.

(2) The record companies and artist make to much money to begin with.

(3) You can\'t find the good music at Best Buy.

Alright,let\'s tackle this one at a time.

(1) No good music? That\'s subjective and you can not tell me that is the reason you download music off the internet. Admit it, you steal it because you are a cheap bastard.

(2) You said the good music (rare) can\'t be found at Best Buy. Right, it can\'t. However, I know for a fact it can be found online or a lot of times at a local record store. Either way - if it\'s good music, shouldn\'t you be a good consumer and pay that good artist? Or is that to much to ask?

I hope you arent debating the 3 sentances i just posted. Not because of the "oh hell naw" factor but just because thats a little blown out for just 3 sentances, not to mention i was just pointing out the fact that im sure the music that people say sucks probably isnt being downloaded by the people that say it. Shit if i know though. I wouldnt be included there.

Metallica is rich. I\'m poor. I\'ll burn some of their songs and they can make money off touring.

We both win.

I just bought the new Greenday, by the way. What a wacky world of contradiction.

God bless my cd burner and inexpensive recordable discs. Without them I\'d never be able to satisfactorily steal so much music like I do.

Heh, anyway if a musician doesn\'t make enough money, he can get a real job.

Wow, all this talk reminded me that I heard a good Fabolous song and wanted to steal it. Excuse me while I go send Fabolous packing to the unemployment line.

-Dan

[Titan]

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
(1) No good music? That\'s subjective and you can not tell me that is the reason you download music off the internet. Admit it, you steal it because you are a cheap bastard.

I too find the "no good music" arguement to be stupid, even though I\'ve used it before too :crap: And I too am a cheap bastard

(2) You said the good music (rare) can\'t be found at Best Buy. Right, it can\'t. However, I know for a fact it can be found online or a lot of times at a local record store. Either way - if it\'s good music, shouldn\'t you be a good consumer and pay that good artist? Or is that to much to ask?

I buy the bands I like. Why? Because I want to support them. I\'ve only downloaded one CD. Why? I\'m a cheap bastard. I download the individual songs and make mixes out of them. A few times, I have the CD but download a couple of my favorite songs to put on another mix. I\'ve got one CD, I liked a couple songs so much that I downloaded them after I got the CD.