Unhappy Democrats Need to Wait to Get Into Canada

Originally posted by Coredweller
We\'re already a member of the UN.  

Anyway, you were saying something about Americans not being dumber than Australians?....

For god sakes if you didn\'t know what I meant then lord help you.  I was speaking on terms with the war in Iraq.  Thats been the whole talk with the UN lately, but yea........

I really didn\'t think I had to dumb that one down for even you clips.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bozco
For god sakes if you didn\'t know what I meant then lord help you.  I was speaking on terms with the war in Iraq.  Thats been the whole talk with the UN lately, but yea........

I really didn\'t think I had to dumb that one down for even you clips.

:rolleyes:

Plenty of body blows to go around it seems...

[clips]

Originally posted by Bozco
I really didn\'t think I had to dumb that one down for even you clips.

:rolleyes:

you didn\'t..the way you worded it made it seem like you didn\'t know the u.s. WAS a part of the u.n....it\'s ok to clean it up now..we can\'t know everything all the time right? so don\'t sweat it..nothin to be ashamed of..

Partial Birth Abortions are a type of abortion performed in the mid to late second trimester. They are a hot button topic because they are particularly brutal. The BAN, however, goes beyond just partial birth abortions and bans abortions in the second trimester all together. Many people who are pro-choice are upset about this because birth defects can not be detected until the second trimester. So if it is determined that the child has a particularly fatal birth defect they can not be aborted and the mother just has to wait until the fetus dies.

Hmm, that\'s interesting.  Then why not just make it to where if a birth defect is indeed detected, an abortion is a viable option in the second trimester, but for those just looking to abort the kid shouldn\'t have the option?  I figured even conservatives would agree with that.

Originally posted by clips
you didn\'t..the way you worded it made it seem like you didn\'t know the u.s. WAS a part of the u.n....it\'s ok to clean it up now..we can\'t know everything all the time right? so don\'t sweat it..nothin to be ashamed of..

Stop winking at me

Originally posted by Ryu
Hmm, that\'s interesting.  Then why not just make it to where if a birth defect is indeed detected, an abortion is a viable option in the second trimester, but for those just looking to abort the kid shouldn\'t have the option?  I figured even conservatives would agree with that.

That would be far too complicated for a mind that only perceives black and white.  You\'re either completely for it or entirely against it...

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Your generalizing it too much, not every conservative republican is against abortion fully, I am for it in cases of rape and others, but do you sit there and kill a litter of dogs or cats just because it doesn\'t have  a family to take care of it??? No at least not in many places, so why do that with a soon to be baby???

Because cats and dogs are stuffed into tiny cages and fed small amounts and cared for very little if no one comes to take care of them and somehow that is considered humane.  The only difference between the two is that for the pets, we call it a cage and for the humans we call it an orphanage.  Please don\'t try and compare them like that ever again as the similarities between the two are so staggeringly similar that it\'s disgusting.

Originally posted by mjps21983
Your generalizing it too much, not every conservative republican is against abortion fully, I am for it in cases of rape and others, but do you sit there and kill a litter of dogs or cats just because it doesn\'t have  a family to take care of it??? No at least not in many places, so why do that with a soon to be baby???

That is why people advocate having pets spayed or neutered. To try and prevent the litter of kittens/puppies without homes. Do you think that is a viable option for humans?

BTW, I HATE the fact that the majority of the people who are against abortion all together are generally the same people against sexual education for young kids in schools and government support for foster homes/care.

Well if people would keep there dicks in there pants and there pants on, we wouldn\'t be speaking about this, basically what I\'m saying is if you use proper birth control or not have sex you don\'t have to have 5 abortions... And I was making an analogy Ryu don\'t go all melodramatic and say how we shouldn\'t compare the two, chill out.

The differences are night and day.  My pointing out the differences between cages and orphanges and Black Samurai pointing out the spaying and neutering should have made that readily apparent.  You can call it melodramatic, but please, the analogy just doesn\'t work out.

As for having sex responsibly, accidents DO happen.  It\'s not just people who go around scoring with a thousand partners in their life times, it\'s also for people who have protected sex and something goes wrong, IE, a condom breaks, the girl forgot her birth control, the morning after pill just DOESN\'T work -- these are all possibilities and many people face them everyday.  It\'s undeniable instinct for humans to spread ones seed and to do it with many partners.  Sure, people like myself, I assume you, and THX are those who are far more restrained, but there is a reason why the divorce rate, even among the most hardcore conservatives, is so high in this nation.  You can think it\'s for any type of logistical reason, but most of them come down to plain and simple consented adultery.  It\'s a fact worth checking every now and then.

I understand what your saying, but abortion as a form of birth control is just a little exteme imo, you have your and I have mine. Simple. Sex is a great thing, but just because someone is irresponsible and forgets to use a condom or forgot to take her pill doesn\'t make it right to abort a baby, this isn\'t a video game where you can just delete and start all over.

See, that\'s just the thing though -- you can just "start over."  The technology offered assures you that you can.  See, this is why conservatives alwasy bother me when it comes to deeply seeded issues that split the nation in half.  On the one hand, many conservatives hold an opinion on certain issues that do make sense to a degree, but they only make sense if you look at it eight months from now and not ten years from now.  Sure, making that mother give birth "saves a life" -- though that is debateable as when a fetus actually becomes "alive" is a topic of contention that is, for now anyways, agreed upon to take place in the second trimester, but once that baby is brought into the world, it becomes a responsibility not of the parent just as it should be, but of all of us.  

This is a child that suddenly becomes something your tax dollars will have to support until some type of kind soul finally adopts him/her -- IF someone adopts him/her.  Then of course if that doesn\'t occur, the child is going to be lost in the system until they\'re eighteen and pushed out into the streets.  Will you be willing to pay the cash out of your own pocket to send this kid to college when it becomes time?  Most parents can\'t even send their OWN kids to college.  But hey, we\'re talking about one child here, what about 1000?  What about 10,000?  Will you care for them all?  I sure as hell won\'t.  I doubt you\'ll be going down to orphanages and picking out a kid or two in your life time.  Who cares though, right?  We supposedly did the "moral" thing at the time -- I\'m sure if this kid gets swallowed up in the system and later becomes a serial rapist or something in the most extreme circumstance, we can always blame doom and the media.

It\'s like I said though, if this type of thing wasn\'t a possibility and the system somehow cared for these children a whole helluva lot better then they do now, abortions would not be necessary.  As it is now, with the same people who are against abortion refusing to help the children who are given up for adoption because of that belief, abortion is the humane thing to do.

So I should worry about my tax dollars??? See that is what I don\'t get is why you would rather abort a life then see tax money go to it. And to the part where they\'d be pushed out to the streets thats not entirely true if you are a child of the state, or ward what ever its called you can basically go to college for free. Or at least most of it is paid.

It isn\'t just about tax dollars, it\'s about so many other things.  Conservatives back family values, conservatives back the family unit, conversatives think that no child should be left behind, but what happens when thousands of little babies are born, when they could\\should have been aborted, no one, not the parents, not liberals, not conservatives -- wishes to shoulder the responsibility.  If you don\'t take an active role now to take care of America\'s youth that is being left behind, then what\'s to say that you will take an active role if abortion is made illegal?  Who\'s to teach these unwanted/unintended kids the values conservatives so rightfully uphold on a daily basis?  You read my entire post and pulled out tax dollars, but so far, you failed to actually point out how taking away the option somehow has more benefits to the child then an abortion.

I\'m sure this screwed over kid will feel so happy your morals are safe and sound while they struggle for the same chances you were priviledged to receive without worry and without doubt.