Originally posted by Bjorn
This is an important part of school I would say. Why should they not teach these kind of things?
Of course they should only teach to be tolerant against \'lifestyles\' that does not harm others. I mean they should not teach to be tolerant to nazis and racists and other hate people etc. No one gains from hate.
Lifestyles are not an absolute thing, such as race or gender; they are subjective in their merit and danger. I could just as easily say no one gains from forcing children to respect freaks of nature like gays, whose open presense in a society can and will cause gender, sexuality and family role confusion in young people. And while you might not want the nazi lifestyle (is there such a thing?) to be tolerated by young people, I\'m sure plenty of people feel just as strongly that tolerance of that should be taught as you do about gays. That\'s the point; none of these things are necessary to teach youths to tolerate, and none will be agreed upon. Selective tolerance is a lateral baby step to intolerance. It\'s best to keep all lifestyles out of the classroom, along with religion. They are personal things and schools have no place dictating which ones should be tolerated.
Originally posted by EviscerationX
Actually, scientists have only searched through 90% of the human genome, not 100%, so there is some chance of still finding something. If they don\'t, then there is nothing left to discuss. But what they search for isn\'t exactly clear. You can\'t just point out and say, hey...there\'s a gay gene!!
Consider my statement withdrawn for the time being, but I must say, in all fairness to my argument, the \'gay gene\' has been at the top of the list of things they are trying to find in the field, even before things that could actually benefit human health, so to say the least, at 90% and with so much effort going into it, the fact that they don\'t have it says a lot. Thank you for the links.
If animals can be gay in nature, and humans are more advanced, then why couldn\'t homosexuality be a normal thing? Are you just afraid of people who are different?[/b]
It\'s not normal in nature. It happens in nature, and I adressed this issue already. Pedophilia, infanticide, incest, etc. all occur in nature with the same regularity as homosexuality. IF you wish to make the \'it happens in nature...\' argument, are you ready to defend these other abnormal acts as well? We are arguably more advance (though I\'d argue mearly more complex), and it is because of this, not despite it, that I think we can control ourselves, and hold ourselves to slightly higher standards than say, a dog.
Originally posted by Samwise
Fair enough. Although then of course your acting on your heterosexuality is also optional...
I would never argue otherwise.
Because scientists are never wrong and picking out a "gay gene" is as easy as finding a black ball in a bowl of white balls.[/b]
See my above response to EviscerationX. Also, I should think such a thing would be rather simple, just keep comparing straight guy DNA to gay guy DNA, and a pattern should emerge if it\'s truely 100% hardwired within our genetics, right?
So what are you arguing here? If someone is gay because of imbalanced hormones, then you don\'t have a say in the matter - you just \'are\' gay.[/b]
Agreed. If you burn a batch of cookies, that was a natural response to cooking them too long (or at too high a heat), but they are useless, burnt cookies, nonetheless, are they not. You bin them.
If we link that back to what you said earlier - you wouldn\'t want your children to learn about being tolerant of people who are gay and can\'t help the way they are? Should they also be intolerate of handicapped people, retards etc.?[/b]
I am not tolerant of the handicapped (my mother) nor the retarded (my cousin Ricky). In fact, I make fun of them, often. Ricky doesn\'t know though, because I insult him in a baby voice while smiling and clapping my hands, and he laughs. I\'m so cruel...
Well, ok, I don\'t really insult my mom, and if Ricky understood me, I might feel bad, but that\'s not the point! No, I don\'t think a school should be concerning itself with teaching tolerance like that. In fact, I think its my right as an American to be as inteolerant, mean, and hateful as I want, and I was being nice saying schools should be teaching even racial tolerance. If I create a child, I can teach that child to hate anyone I want, and its no ones business. Everyone hates someone, selectively enforced tolerance indoctornation would make the founders of this country I live in vomit in disgust.
Let me be honest and say I\'m not really sure what you mean by that. I might be wrong, but are you saying that "homosexuals will f*** any man" whereas heterosexuals won\'t f*** any woman? Gays are attracted to their own sex just as straigt people are attracted to the opposite sex - but neither are attracted to ALL the specimen, only the \'attractive\' ones (and what\'s considered attractive is individual as we all know).
If by any chance you didn\'t mean what I thought you did, I apologize. [/B]
It\'s quite alright. No, I hadn\'t meant that. I\'m saying merely that just because something (in this case homosexuality) is practiced by a minority of animals in nature doesn\'t mean we as a civilized society need to emulate that. They (animals) do quite a few things that no civilized human being would do. Last time I checked, acting like a monkey was not on the agenda for bettering ourselves as a species.
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I don\'t understand how people can say that its a matter of choice. What you feel attracted to is not something that you can just \'make happen\' or force. Ask any heterosexual man to have feelings for another guy and he\'ll go \'ewww\'. Its just not something you can force.
Wrong. I know people who have admitted to doing it. And I\'m 100% attracted to females, but I could force myself to not only be attracted to, but indeed fornicate with... oh... lets say Brad Pitt, Will Smith or Johnny Depp. *sighs dreamily* And if you were here, right now, just to prove my point, I\'d kiss you.
And besides, why would someone choose to be gay if they really weren\'t? I do believe that there are some people out there who are just so stupidly horny and slutty that they\'ll just have sex with whatever comes their way, male or femaile. These people are not true homosexuals, they are just sluts, and they are the ones who are commiting true sin. [/B]
I agree with most of that, however the same reason some people choose to be goth, stab slivers of metal through every availible flap of skin, get drunk until they pass out... really... lots of people do things that make no sense, in the first to examples, sometimes even exclusively for the sake of shocking family and being \'different\'.
Originally posted by Samwise
Strange, most guys here would pay to watch two women make out. 
Not something to brag about.
Let me make it clear, since others I haven\'t quoted have discussed this: my opinions apply to lesbians, straight sexual acts of sodomy, etc. I feel contraceptives shouldn\'t be taught without parental permission either. I think most of these things should fall under parental prerogative, just teaching it without the parents knowledge may very well be undermining the values they teach at home.
