Rumors of Xbox 360 launch games

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using a HD on my ps2 has benefited me greatly.  
The slim ps2 removed the hd because of this little benefit that loads of people are using.  But they still included the usb ports........

pirating games with the HDloader was not the intended use of the HD, soully.

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Right, Square pushed the HD. They funded the HD. They announced the HD. I forgot. Thanks for reminding me on how it was not Sony\'s choice to put out an add-on in the late lifespan of the PS2. Thanks for reminding me how it was not Sony who announced the HD and how it would benefit gamers, simply to counter act MS\'s choice to include a HD. I forgot all along it was Square who released the failure.

Originally posted by Rikku
Xbox Live is the reason.  Microsoft\'s plan from the beginning was to offer an online service for Xbox gamers, one function of which was to offer downloadable content.  Now, you don\'t go and try to sell the service of downloadable content unless you have the storage for it.

The HD has been used in different ways. It\'s been used for the custom soundtrack feature found in some games, as well as a data and texture cache for others. And, as I already mentioned, used to store the content from the Hurricane Packs for Ninja Gaiden, and will be used to store the expansion for Halo 2.

Of course, there are people who don\'t care for any of it so the online service and hard drive is completely lost on them. I think MS is being smart selling them seperately. Sony will do something similar, count on it.

But its not the fact that MS triesd to support it.Its the fact that the XBOX was sold with one that the HD automatically gained support.
It not because Sony didnt do anything about it from the beginning.Its because it was sold seperately and was expensive that made developers pull back support.Most people didnt want to pay extra to have one.Thus games companies saw no point to spend money and time to support it.And since Sony saw this as well they saw no point to try and dedicate too much on it while chances of a lot more people actually buying one were minimal.

The other features you mentioned are just there because XBOX had it from the beginning.
Even if PS2\'s HD could do these extra features it wouldnt have made people want to buy it more.

The HD also harmed XBOX btw.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
If they did not feel it was necesarry , they would of never launched it. They only came up with a HD to counter act MS\'s move on including a HD. I remember this discussion years ago and I was right then, the add-on was a complete failure. Back peddle, wiggle, do whatever you want. Sony released the HD. They released a complete failure.

Thats BS and you know it.Sony planned to release a HD for the PS2 before even you knew what the hell XBOX was.

Sony were the first to announce a 40GB HD for their console.It was never MS

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Originally posted by Unicron!
Thats BS and you know it.Sony planned to release a HD for the PS2 before even you knew what the hell XBOX was.

Sony were the first to announce a 40GB HD for their console.It was never MS

Right. Dig up those announcements, by all means.
That\'s also why if they planned so far ahead, the HD lacked so much support, right?

It lacked support just because it was planned to be released seperately nothing more nothing less.

The fact that Sony planned the release of the HD before MS and regardless of XBOX\'s HD doesnt change

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It was a reaction to MS. Plain and simple. If it wasn\'t, Sony would of never released it. If it was planned so far ahead of time, they would of released it with the PS2. They paniced, dug themselves a hole and eventually had to release the HD with a sub-par Square game (then again, most Square games are sub par).

Lots of little semi-OT attacks in this thread. I like that.

Yeah yeah.Sony planned the HD before they even knew about XBOX to counter MS.Sounds rational. :rolleyes:
MS could take more losses per harware sold.Thats why XBOX came with one.Unless you believed that the PS2 would have existed if Sony had the same losses MS has suffered thanks to XBOX.
What you said about FF11 being HD only (or that its sub par?What does this  have to do with the hard drive) say nothing.Thats again a result of Sony releasing the HD separately.

LIC, you can stamp your feet an whine all you want, but the HD was not a failure.

did sony lose any money on it, no.
did sony drop out of the market cause of it, no.

sont does what square wants, and square wanted a HD for FF11

(then again, most Square games are sub par).

you sir, should be slapped across the face

this isnt the jaguar cd addon, or the sega 32x, ya know.
i guess eyetoy was a failure too
:rolleyes:

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I can\'t help the fact that Uni can barely speak english and has no common sense.

I can\'t help the fact that MM is blind to most common things.

The HD was a failure. Remind me again how many sold? Right. Not a lot. Remind me again of the support it had? Right. Not a lot. Failure. If you compare the amount sold to the PS2 userbase, it was a friggin\' failure. Not sure why that is hard for you to grasp.

As for Sony wanting Square so they released the HD, bullshit. You know as well as I do, Sony could of told Square no and Square would of stayed, simply due to the large PS2 userbase. Sony went ahead and released an add-on that would never sell and they knew it. Square never forced them, as you two would make it seem.

And I\'m sorry, but Square games are simply some of the most over-rated pieces of crap. They go right along with MGS on the whole cinema over gameplay. Old Square  = good. Anything new Square = complete shit, \'cept for Tobal 1 & Tobal 2, those are the two exceptions.

Then again, I\'m not sure why any of you would even try and defend Sony\'s HD add-on. It was a diaster on all accounts.

Sony\'s HD is as half-baked as their online plans this generation. No real goal on either accounts.


And as for the Jaguar CD / 32X comment. You know what, the only thing that seperates it from those add-ons? Marketing. Sony knew the HD had no userbase, so they never bothered to market. If they would of marketed it, it would of been just a big failure and just as noticed.

As for the Eyetoy , no it\'s not a failure. It\'s just a gimmicky piece ole\' crap. May as well dig out a Super Scope, while we are at the gimmicks.

Remind me again of the support it had? Right. Not a lot.

bro, the HD is there for dev\'s use
it\'s not proprietary for square.

look how few dev\'s actually make good use out of the xbox hard drive.

grow up, please,  and stop trolling

*couldnt resist, after your edits
sony\'s online plans?

sony had...
nevermind, waste of my time

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Originally posted by mm
bro, the HD is there for dev\'s use
it\'s not proprietary for square.

look how few dev\'s actually make good use out of the xbox hard drive.

grow up, please,  and stop trolling

I swear, am I talking to a wall or are you just this stubborn?

You argue that Sony released the HD due to wanting Square. I said they could of told Square no and avoided any money put into the failure.

As for this comment...Here is the difference..

The consumer buy\'s an Xbox and if the DEV does not use it, guess what? The consumer is not out. The consumer buys a PS2 and decides to get the HD also...Three games use it - who loses? The consumer. They bought an add-on, that for almost all accounts is useless. They paid EXTRA for a stupid add-on that is used on very few games and usually just to decrease the damn loading time (Stupid Capcom, with their stupid online Resident Evil game).


As for trolling....
Hello?
Pot ...talking to Kettle...calling Kettle BLACK

Oh and Sony had no online plans. They never fostered a community like MS did with Xbox live. However, I understand you are all blind and can\'t admit that your mighty Sony does make mistakes. It\'s A-OK. Live in that dream world.

sony didn\'t need an "online plan"
they made the tools available for the devs (like the hard drive, hello?)

They never fostered a community like MS did with Xbox live.

hah, they fostered a bunch of sheep to pay a fee for online gaming and listen to 12 year olds with robot voices say "i pwned you, bitch"

can\'t hide your biased attitude from me

my mighty sony?  bro, what is this 1996?
:rolleyes:

i\'d rather argue with soully
try again, please